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uh we there you know you've you've come

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biggest the biggest fear and i know this

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is one of michael's biggest fears is

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nobody wants to be made of full of

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nobody wants to look like a fool nobody

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wants to over believe anything and in

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this field it's rampant with sort of

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people making claims that they can't

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back up and so i think the biggest thing

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with the john ramirez story and sort of

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the lore that you've just thrown in here

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in the last two months is there like is

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this guy really from the cia how do we

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know this right we've seen a paperwork

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but that could be photoshopped we've

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heard him explain it and it's sort of

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the catch-22 or the double-edged sword

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of of of you know if if he shows you a

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picture of getting the medal well i

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could have photoshopped this it's a

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never-ending story of

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how we cannot confirm this so the the

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one thing that rather up here i can see

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his face already rather was like well if

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he got a medal why doesn't he show us

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the medal that could that could easily

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solve a lot of these problems uh and so

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i wrote john and i was like hey john

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just want to give you the heads up uh

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because it was a courtesy of rather

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rather just we didn't want to catch

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anybody from left field and this is not

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gotcha journalism we're not 60 minutes

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and we don't want to appear rude and

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question the validity of who you are

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you know it's it's a it's a it's a fine

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tap dance that we have to do to sort of

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ask this question but the question from

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rather was well let's see the metal

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let's see the metal that he claims he

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got when he was in the cia and so john

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you want to show us the medal absolutely

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this is exclusive for you because no one

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ever asks me to show anything on the air

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so i got the uh career intelligence

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medal um

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actually after i retired because it

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takes a while to do the paperwork to

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catch up with you so they delivered it

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to me after i retired but it was for

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service up through 30 to 30 september 19

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and so it came in a box i don't know if

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you can see that

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but it's it's going to be like reversed

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because of the camera there's the cia's

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well it's upside down it's upside down

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there you go yeah

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yeah now you can see it okay yeah and uh

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so the career intelligence medal

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uh actually

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looks like that

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there you go and you put it over there

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there you go rather right

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for honorable service john f ramirez

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so they're also how do you know i didn't

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get this on ebay

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fabricated

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it's a lot harder to take back enough

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edf dock right here we go

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i appreciate that uh this is the uh

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career intelligence metal uh

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certification it's signed by leon

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panetta who was the director of central

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intelligence agency uh the year i

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retired and of course it's dated 2010 as

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i said it followed me after i retired so

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there it is

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yeah that's all i i do you know just

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have one follow-up question do i

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that that's certainly proof enough for

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me but you know why would you post the

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uh the unsigned you know digital

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document as as proof

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well that was in reference to uh someone

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asked about ballistic missiles and they

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had a lot of uh

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um questions about ballistic missiles

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and so i opined about what i know about

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ballistic missiles

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uh particularly uh as you might have

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seen there's a ballistic missile test

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which went awry and the pictures are of

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this uh

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blue spiral in the sky over scandinavia

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you know that's a uap this and i said no

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no what's going on is

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it's the bulova uh

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submarine launch ballistic missile

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missile's

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design to have its warhead land in

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kamchatka clear across the russian land

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a major fuel component

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sapphire is mostly on lumin oxide

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sapphire is blue so this thing was

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outputting sapphire

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aluminum oxide and so it's spiraling

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spiral inspiron so you get this spiral

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uh a uf ufo or uap

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debunker i would say and you have guys

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uap it's this and that and so in that

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instance i agree with them that how they

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was was not a ufo uap and just because

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it looks strange in the sky

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doesn't necessarily make it a ufo or uap

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explanation and how do you know i said

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my job was one of the jobs was ballistic

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missile analysis

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and uh the certification said that

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i was known at cia for being an expert

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on worldwide ballistic missiles and

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that's how i know about what happened to

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the bulova

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tests and so that's yeah i think

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that a picture of the metal under the

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sign document i think we could have

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avoided so yeah but it wasn't in context

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of that i just said okay this is how i

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know about ballistic missiles well you

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know what's funny is we got we got

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witness citizen who he who interviewed

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you a few weeks ago saying it's a

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can we see you bite it no give me a

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break rather can we

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fight it i'm

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joking oh man that's funny okay well i'm

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glad we got that out of the way and i'm

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sure i mean rather i'm sure that goes a

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long way making you feel better as far

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as what we'll be talking about going

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forward right i mean that goes that

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that's huge he's definitely yeah totally

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you know what you're talking about but

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you know i don't whether it comes to the

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cia and the foyer and these government

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agencies so right so yeah that does go a

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long way to you know

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backing up your claims and i really

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appreciate it

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and uh by the way i don't have a

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doctorate in anything i um i think what

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directorate of intelligence directorate

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and the director of science and

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technology i don't have a doctor i just

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have a bachelor's of art yeah i missed i

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misread that john because i was rushing

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to find your bio as i was calling uh and

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i was like oh you did a good job yeah

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yeah sometimes we hide your acting

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skills came to play there you go i was

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curious where i could get a doctorate in

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science and technology that sounds like

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an awesome doctor

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uh well thank you for clearing that up

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okay so let's dive right into it and one

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of the one of the i mean we've all of us

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it was the homework assignment for the

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whole crew go listen to these interviews

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with john ramirez let's try and get some

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really great questions for him based off

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some of the stuff he said so where i

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pacific ocean with the primary purpose

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of locating submarine ballistic missiles

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capability of tracking things that are

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going 8 000 meters per second and when i

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did the math that's mach 24

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terms like rvs instead of saying

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re-entry vehicles and they go rv that

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recreational vehicle

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to a missile scientist or a missile

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analyst

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it's a reentry vehicle you look them up

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sugar cones basically they're cones and

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physics package the thing that goes boom

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the sky the blink of an eye i mean

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they're they're done you know they're

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already hit yeah um and so

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these radars are designed to track

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something that fast right and also

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satellites too they track satellites

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when they're not doing anything like you

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know we're not going to get missile

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missiles launched at us on 24 7 bases so

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when they're not working to look for

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ballistic missile

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um there are tracking satellites and as

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they're tracking satellites in space uh

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they see things that don't match what we

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two lines of math basically you put it

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algorithm and you split it into a

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computer and it plots using kepler's

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laws of motion it plots satellite

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trajectories so we can predict you know

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where all the satellites are and there's

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pieces of junk up there including real

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satellites but 29 object 29 000 objects

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with these two line element sets that

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norad tracks

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in a database what is it so they can

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really remove all of that

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data and just track what's of interest

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as i said flying in formation under

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intelligent control with intent to go to

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a destination

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so these two radars one is pointing

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towards the south atlantic one's

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pointing toward the south pacific

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there's two up north north atlantic and

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north pacific over the poles

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the ones up north are doing most of the

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work because if we get a ballistic

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missile attack from china or russia

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they're going to follow the arctic

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circle route

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but submarines they'll launch from the

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ocean and so those two that i mentioned

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are uh watching for any kind of missile

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attacks from the ocean otherwise they're

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just

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tracking satellites and the russians

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have them too

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well the thing well just because you

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said sat uh submarines and what i'm

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gathering

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kind of based off what you said is that

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we have filter systems on these

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satellite systems that can see through

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water so essentially these submarines

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can't hide and like if if you're a

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submarine and an adversarial submarine

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off of the coast of california we see

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you no matter what

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um

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it's kind of what i got from what you

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were saying am i wrong on that or is

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that a simplification it is a simple

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simplification okay um the way we track

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submarines is because something of that

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big that metallic

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uh will create a disturbance in the uh

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gravitational and magnetic fields of the

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earth

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and so we have airplanes um the newest

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one is called the p8 poseidon they used

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to be called the p3 orion but the p3

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orion if you see those they're more

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commonly known they have something on

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the stern or the back of the airplane

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called a stinger it's like a like a pole

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with a device at the end and that's

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known as a magnetic anomaly detector so

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they fly over the ocean and they can

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detect disturbances in the earth's

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magnetic field

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that points to something underneath the

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water

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the only way a satellite can see a

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submarine is if it pops up its periscope

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and most submarines don't do that

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especially ballistic missile submarines

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the whole intent of a ballistic missile

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submarine is to stay hidden

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so for i mean you've seen uh it's a

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great movie um for red october hunt for

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red october i was thinking about the

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crimson tide is a good one okay crimson

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tide you know you have the uss alabama

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which is a real ballistic missile

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submarine and uh it goes out somewhere

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and uh just hovers basically

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stations itself

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and that location is secret and it

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doesn't want to move very much because

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once it moves our adversary knows that

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there's something there so it stays

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there waiting for a uh emergency action

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message which is basically national

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command authority saying we're at war

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and you know you can authenticate the

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codes and you've seen the movie right

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right the movie actually

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accurately portrays what it takes to

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launch a ballistic missile from a

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submarine and you don't want to show

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yourself so you you know you're not

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going to pop up periscope fast attacks

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which are uh tactical more they don't

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carry ballistic missiles but they can't

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carry uh cruise missiles

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uh shot out of its torpedo tubes

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it can also be considered a strategic

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weapon uh they're more likely to pop up

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their periscopes and when they do

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uh they're not up there for long um

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because they're just doing a look-see

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um in fact you know they may at that

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point um

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they put up what's known as the ecm mast

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they look for electromagnetic emanations

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around and they come right back down and

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they go down and off they go they're

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hidden right um so

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you can't see a submarine from a

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satellite

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however suppose you have a radar

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satellite

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there's some

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limited degree of penetration of the

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electromagnetic waves are kind of

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bouncing off water because is opaque to

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it but certain frequencies it can

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penetrate the water to a certain degree

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but unless the submarine is at periscope

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depth you won't see it

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at all

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and having said that the secret part is

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they might be something under the water

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that's pre-placed pre-positioned so we

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can track things and that's the the navy

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doesn't want me to talk about that

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okay

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well so one more question i'm going to

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open it up to the rest of you guys you

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did say that we were catching formations

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of uap

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on satellite systems and also a

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trajectory could you tell us where they

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were going

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uh see

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one thing everyone should know is that

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the united states intelligence community

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does not

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conduct operations over u.s airspace

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not the intelligence community not to

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what i call title 50 what the odni

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controls

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she doesn't spy over the u.s she doesn't

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spy against our partners the other four

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eyes australia canada uk new zealand

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we don't look at that we look at russia

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so when i say we saw

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uaps in formation i'm saying over

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russian airspace

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got it

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but

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you said they had a trajectory what was

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the trajectory can you give us a clue is

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where they were he's flying

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from the arctic circle

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over the russian landmass

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wow and can you give us an idea of what

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the formation or what the objects um

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what the objects look like or what what

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the sensors were able to detect of those

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objects uh the sensors at the time

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were um and here again

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i can talk about the defense support

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program because that's an old program

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it's been up there since 1970

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um

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without

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encroaching on the nda which means that

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you know i have to still protect sources

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and methods of what we still have

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operational up there

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so i can't talk about specifically

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but let's say a satellite with an ir

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capability

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can see these

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and so when you see these they're

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basically like what people see on the

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ground i mean people have shot video

447
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of these orange orbs and it doesn't look

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any different than that

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they look like mars orbs

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can you say anything about like the

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flight characteristics are what makes

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you think that they're not just prosaic

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you know drones or something like that

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speed

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they were flying that

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tremendous speed um

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changing of directions or just just a

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speed no no i mean they were exhibiting

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like the five properties that

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lou always likes to talk about

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the five properties of uaps and the

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ability to like maneuver

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in an instant

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uh the ability the speed itself

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uh the characteristics of signature

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management of being able to um change

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its um

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massive signature its ir

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reflectivity characteristics

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trans uh transmission characteristics it

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looks like light but it's like changing

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shape size

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and also um 600 nanometers it's orange

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they were orange so

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that cued us into the fact that there

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was something up there

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that's highly unusual

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and we didn't know i mean people are

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seeing orbs all the time right but from

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a intelligence community perspective

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um

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there were anecdotes

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right and so until we put the sensors up

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there in space that can actually look at

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these things

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and as we improve the sensors and that's

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where i'm going toward nda because the

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dsp is a crappy sensor it's being

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replaced

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it's basically you know oh yeah somebody

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you know launched a missile uh big deal

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you know

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yeah we know there's a launch but the

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newer sensors they can actually do uh

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measurements of you know what like

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spectrum it's in and other types of

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characteristics

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um so they were hyper they were no

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multi-spectral meaning they had four ir

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bands

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and so we can divide up the ir uh

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spectrum into four bins and so you give

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it a little bit more resolution

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and because we had those types of

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sensors flying that's when we detected

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these orbs

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and the first thing of course

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uh we thought was oh my gosh the

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russians have this

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super secret weapon we didn't know about

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and we need to find out what they have

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and what year was this what what are you

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referring um

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the

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wikipedia

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okay so the canon kh-11 block two

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the second in the series of kh-11

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satellites carried an ir payload

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and that was launched in the early 90s

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and i'll say that much

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so when we had that type of capability

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uh beyond the dsp

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uh when we had a better capability look

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at the ir spectrum that's when we

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started noticing that there were these

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orbs

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this was really nice

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well you know speaking of the the dsp uh

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you know

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you mentioned in a previous interview

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that the bob fish emails and him uh

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where he came out of a ship and someone

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came out and said hey i saw something on

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the dsp that was zooming and made a 30

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degree turn and you know they called it

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a fast walker and i think you said that

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they're just from the tv

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i'll be able to do that um dsps that

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basically um

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they actually had a blink on blink off

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kind of

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of uh duty cycle

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they weren't persistent collectors and

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that's why we flew so many of them

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they didn't last long i mean

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we had to keep replacing the

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constellation over and over and over

548
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again

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and they were basically um just like

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looking for like instances of light

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of something that looked like a launch

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you know like

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uh the boost vehicle the first stage of

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a missile launch and they're looking at

555
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specific areas where we knew already

556
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there were ballistic missile sites silos

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in the uh in the soviet union so that

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was their primary focus

559
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and back then china didn't have

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silo-based missiles like they do now

561
00:20:40,630 --> 00:20:38,559
so we're primarily focused on that area

562
00:20:43,029 --> 00:20:40,640
of the world

563
00:20:46,470 --> 00:20:43,039
i would say the eastern hemisphere

564
00:20:49,029 --> 00:20:46,480
they would not be looking over

565
00:20:49,909 --> 00:20:49,039
anything near us territory

566
00:20:51,750 --> 00:20:49,919
at all

567
00:20:53,110 --> 00:20:51,760
as much because we want to look at that

568
00:20:54,630 --> 00:20:53,120
side of the world

569
00:20:55,669 --> 00:20:54,640
does that make you question his story do

570
00:20:57,990 --> 00:20:55,679
you think that maybe it's right there's

571
00:21:01,029 --> 00:20:58,000
a lot of things in the fish story that

572
00:21:02,710 --> 00:21:01,039
seems to me like as told to about fish

573
00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:02,720
by someone else

574
00:21:06,149 --> 00:21:04,240
uh the fact that he mentioned there was

575
00:21:06,950 --> 00:21:06,159
a top secret sci cafeteria i've been

576
00:21:08,789 --> 00:21:06,960
there

577
00:21:11,510 --> 00:21:08,799
cafeteria is in boeing it's an el

578
00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:11,520
segundo and it's not top secret sei

579
00:21:14,710 --> 00:21:13,200
anybody can go in there as long as you

580
00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:14,720
had a badge

581
00:21:18,390 --> 00:21:16,400
so it was one of the better cafeterias

582
00:21:20,149 --> 00:21:18,400
in el segundo and so we had guys from

583
00:21:21,270 --> 00:21:20,159
aerospace and northwest ramen and

584
00:21:23,110 --> 00:21:21,280
everybody else

585
00:21:24,630 --> 00:21:23,120
there because they had like the best

586
00:21:27,909 --> 00:21:24,640
food ever i mean

587
00:21:30,310 --> 00:21:27,919
i recommend the pasta bar

588
00:21:33,270 --> 00:21:30,320
so when i went there uh we went there

589
00:21:36,390 --> 00:21:33,280
specifically to talk about those space

590
00:21:38,310 --> 00:21:36,400
radars that i told you about

591
00:21:40,549 --> 00:21:38,320
um and so boeing actually built the

592
00:21:43,510 --> 00:21:40,559
space radar for the us because they

593
00:21:46,549 --> 00:21:43,520
screwed up the electrical optical system

594
00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:46,559
they had a giant contract to completely

595
00:21:52,149 --> 00:21:49,360
refurbish and renovate the entire us

596
00:21:54,630 --> 00:21:52,159
imagery constellation it was called the

597
00:21:56,870 --> 00:21:54,640
future imagery architecture

598
00:21:58,310 --> 00:21:56,880
and before we had a company that really

599
00:22:00,149 --> 00:21:58,320
knew what they were doing and they were

600
00:22:01,830 --> 00:22:00,159
called like lockheed martin

601
00:22:04,149 --> 00:22:01,840
they knew how to build satellites for

602
00:22:05,830 --> 00:22:04,159
that but back then congress thought oh

603
00:22:07,990 --> 00:22:05,840
we need to compete

604
00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:08,000
and so boeing put the best proposal

605
00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:10,880
together and they lost lockheed lost the

606
00:22:14,950 --> 00:22:13,280
contract so boeing was responsible for

607
00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:14,960
building all these satellites

608
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:17,120
and they built the radar satellite

609
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:19,520
called topaz t-o-p-a-z

610
00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:21,039
and i could say that folks it's on

611
00:22:26,950 --> 00:22:24,240
wikipedia so don't arrest me um

612
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:26,960
so topaz was boeing's bird and of the

613
00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:29,760
entire fia constellation topaz was the

614
00:22:34,149 --> 00:22:31,919
only one that survived the rest was

615
00:22:40,870 --> 00:22:34,159
shikkan literally i mean can i say that

616
00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:42,789
billions of taxpayers money went down

617
00:22:47,990 --> 00:22:45,440
the drain yeah uh oh boy the boeing

618
00:22:50,230 --> 00:22:48,000
would be pissed now uh but they built

619
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:50,240
great topaz radar satellites so i give

620
00:22:58,630 --> 00:22:56,070
and so we were there to get a briefing

621
00:23:00,470 --> 00:22:58,640
on on the status of topaz

622
00:23:03,909 --> 00:23:00,480
they wanted to build more

623
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:03,919
and i was there as representing the

624
00:23:07,029 --> 00:23:05,520
national counter proliferation center

625
00:23:09,909 --> 00:23:07,039
which is all about

626
00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:09,919
uh nuclear biological and chemical

627
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:12,720
weapons foreign operations uh foreign

628
00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:14,400
activities related to that

629
00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:16,480
and we're thinking that these satellites

630
00:23:20,549 --> 00:23:17,919
would be very useful

631
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:20,559
to um to monitor

632
00:23:23,669 --> 00:23:22,400
uh nbc

633
00:23:25,590 --> 00:23:23,679
because it's

634
00:23:30,390 --> 00:23:25,600
electromagnetic waves

635
00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:30,400
it'll hit hits the um

636
00:23:34,870 --> 00:23:33,280
the so-called uh baby formula factory

637
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:34,880
they bounce back signals that look like

638
00:23:40,149 --> 00:23:37,120
this isn't a baby formula factory

639
00:23:42,149 --> 00:23:40,159
because we can tell what's in the

640
00:23:44,710 --> 00:23:42,159
in the air atmosphere around yeah yeah

641
00:23:46,870 --> 00:23:44,720
yeah that's really getting close to nda

642
00:23:48,950 --> 00:23:46,880
um so anyway that's why i was there and

643
00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:48,960
so we went down to the cafeteria

644
00:23:52,870 --> 00:23:50,320
and there were other people there and

645
00:23:54,310 --> 00:23:52,880
the boeing sponsors for us yeah you know

646
00:23:55,510 --> 00:23:54,320
this is the cafeteria where everybody

647
00:23:57,350 --> 00:23:55,520
comes to

648
00:23:59,669 --> 00:23:57,360
and there were people there that were

649
00:24:01,029 --> 00:23:59,679
like custodial staff and

650
00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:01,039
everybody can eat there as long as you

651
00:24:05,669 --> 00:24:03,360
had a badge yeah so you showed the badge

652
00:24:07,190 --> 00:24:05,679
to the guy at the uh front door

653
00:24:08,710 --> 00:24:07,200
that you're going to the cafeteria and

654
00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:08,720
they'll let you in so it's not a top

655
00:24:13,750 --> 00:24:11,600
secret sei and in fact you get fired if

656
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:13,760
you talk top secret sei

657
00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:16,080
in the open area like that you'll be

658
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:17,600
gone in a heartbeat your clearances will

659
00:24:19,510 --> 00:24:18,400
be pulled

660
00:24:20,950 --> 00:24:19,520
so what you know

661
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:20,960
that you know this is not a top-secret

662
00:24:24,789 --> 00:24:23,039
sci cafeteria

663
00:24:28,630 --> 00:24:24,799
and the pasta was excellent they

664
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:28,640
actually made the pasta from flour

665
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:30,240
i was gonna say so

666
00:24:34,390 --> 00:24:32,400
they made the pasta noodles by hand

667
00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:34,400
the odds of getting into this pasta bar

668
00:24:37,269 --> 00:24:35,919
you're saying i got a chance there's a

669
00:24:39,269 --> 00:24:37,279
chance you've got a chance to work for

670
00:24:41,110 --> 00:24:39,279
one of those uh

671
00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:41,120
all right all right so yeah that's

672
00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:42,400
probably the biggest nugget of

673
00:24:53,590 --> 00:24:50,950
a little bit on the atmospheric readings

674
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:53,600
and that is cool that is very cool um

675
00:24:58,070 --> 00:24:56,400
but yeah real quick um

676
00:24:59,430 --> 00:24:58,080
i do want to know and then i'm going to

677
00:25:00,950 --> 00:24:59,440
get to these super chat questions you

678
00:25:02,470 --> 00:25:00,960
guys i said in here trust me we'll get

679
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:02,480
to them um

680
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:03,760
but

681
00:25:08,549 --> 00:25:06,720
were these orbs basically seen as soon

682
00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:08,559
as these satellite systems were put into

683
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:11,039
place i mean how often how often does

684
00:25:16,390 --> 00:25:12,720
this happen where we see these

685
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:16,400
formations and uh usos and uap flying in

686
00:25:22,789 --> 00:25:19,679
the atmosphere uh i can't say usos uh

687
00:25:24,549 --> 00:25:22,799
because what we saw were orbs okay not

688
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:24,559
something coming out of the ocean

689
00:25:28,230 --> 00:25:26,400
um there were things flying from the

690
00:25:29,669 --> 00:25:28,240
north pole

691
00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:29,679
um

692
00:25:33,350 --> 00:25:31,120
they will

693
00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:33,360
i'll just say they were flying in the

694
00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:36,720
vicinity of the arctic circle

695
00:25:42,149 --> 00:25:39,360
because i'm working on a foia to let me

696
00:25:44,789 --> 00:25:42,159
say exactly where they came from and

697
00:25:46,870 --> 00:25:44,799
where they went uh that would like burst

698
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:46,880
open the entire field what's your

699
00:25:51,909 --> 00:25:48,720
current maneuverability like how do you

700
00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:51,919
what is it what is your nda based on

701
00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:53,200
like what are you allowed to say what

702
00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:54,720
are you not allowed to say i'm allowed

703
00:25:59,029 --> 00:25:56,480
to say uh well

704
00:26:00,710 --> 00:25:59,039
nda protects sources of methods so i

705
00:26:02,230 --> 00:26:00,720
know how the us intelligence community

706
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:02,240
collects data

707
00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:05,360
i know how we extract data

708
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:07,440
from a hard target hard target meaning

709
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:08,640
like

710
00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:11,039
china or russia which has its own

711
00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:13,440
counter intelligence operations to

712
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:14,559
prevent

713
00:26:19,029 --> 00:26:17,760
their people from talking to our people

714
00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:19,039
so i know how

715
00:26:24,070 --> 00:26:21,360
we extract that data safely that

716
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:24,080
protects the lives of our officers and

717
00:26:27,909 --> 00:26:26,159
protects the lives of our sources the

718
00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:27,919
real agents

719
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:30,080
um and so i have to protect that and so

720
00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:31,840
they're like technical capabilities

721
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:34,400
their human capabilities are related to

722
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:36,799
that and i will always protect those and

723
00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:38,880
so when for example when luz asks

724
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:40,880
certain questions that's what's in the

725
00:26:45,430 --> 00:26:42,960
back of his mind that i got to protect

726
00:26:47,430 --> 00:26:45,440
those sources of massive methods because

727
00:26:48,549 --> 00:26:47,440
they're still in use even though we're

728
00:26:50,950 --> 00:26:48,559
retired

729
00:26:54,149 --> 00:26:50,960
uh if we blurt out oh this is how we do

730
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:54,159
it it might literally put a perishable

731
00:26:58,390 --> 00:26:55,760
source at risk and when i mean

732
00:27:01,110 --> 00:26:58,400
perishable that source might die

733
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:01,120
and fragile methods we'll never be able

734
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:03,360
to use that extraction method again so

735
00:27:09,430 --> 00:27:06,559
it will completely be gravely damaging

736
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:09,440
to u.s national security so that's what

737
00:27:14,789 --> 00:27:12,400
i'm protecting the information uh

738
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:14,799
is not so unless the information points

739
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:17,520
to how i got the information

740
00:27:23,110 --> 00:27:20,960
well do you see a path uh of

741
00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:23,120
or a route for this information to

742
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:25,279
eventually trickle its way to

743
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:26,799
the american people the american attack

744
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:28,960
absolutely absolutely that's why the

745
00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:31,760
gilbran amendment to the ndaa

746
00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:34,320
and also just it's not just the ndaa we

747
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:36,480
have a intelligence authorization app

748
00:27:42,470 --> 00:27:38,880
iaa which also has uap language in the

749
00:27:43,750 --> 00:27:42,480
legislation they must pass intact with

750
00:27:47,909 --> 00:27:43,760
no

751
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:47,919
got to pass because that what that

752
00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:50,000
provides us people like me people like

753
00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:52,159
lou people still in government it

754
00:27:56,470 --> 00:27:54,960
provides us with what we call top cover

755
00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:56,480
we have a law

756
00:28:00,549 --> 00:27:57,679
of the land

757
00:28:02,389 --> 00:28:00,559
and now because we have a law of land mr

758
00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:02,399
contractor defense contractor you're

759
00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:04,480
hiding all of these secrets when you get

760
00:28:07,990 --> 00:28:06,399
called before congress and congress asks

761
00:28:10,950 --> 00:28:08,000
you yeah you can it can be closed

762
00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:10,960
session but you can't say i refuse to

763
00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:12,240
testify

764
00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:13,760
because the next thing you know the u.s

765
00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:15,600
marshals will be knocking on your door

766
00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:17,600
because refusing to testify before

767
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:19,840
congress is considered an obstruction of

768
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:22,000
justice right and the department of

769
00:28:26,389 --> 00:28:24,080
justice will indict you and prosecute

770
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:26,399
you for obstructing justice

771
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:28,080
because it is a legal function

772
00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:30,480
constitutional function of the congress

773
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:32,960
to have oversight over the defense

774
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:35,279
community intelligence community and our

775
00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:37,440
contractors once you accept money from

776
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:40,159
the government by extension you are the

777
00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:42,240
government you just don't do government

778
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:44,159
functions there's a clause in most

779
00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:46,559
contracts that say that a contractor

780
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:48,480
shall not have inherent government

781
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:50,559
functions or responsibilities

782
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:52,880
but otherwise for by extension you are

783
00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:54,640
the government so they need to come

784
00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:55,600
clean

785
00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:57,440
and it could be behind closed doors but

786
00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:58,799
somebody needs to know what's exactly

787
00:29:01,590 --> 00:29:00,000
what's going on

788
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:01,600
and that gets reported

789
00:29:05,909 --> 00:29:03,760
got it and so you're no longer under

790
00:29:08,070 --> 00:29:05,919
government contract at all absolutely

791
00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:08,080
not absolutely not i i

792
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:09,279
my uh

793
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:11,120
my retirement is handled by the office

794
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:13,200
of personnel management which is the

795
00:29:18,389 --> 00:29:14,880
personnel office for the entire us

796
00:29:22,149 --> 00:29:18,399
government so i got transfer from cia to

797
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:22,159
opm my only contact with cia is when i

798
00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:24,480
do things like that presentation

799
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:27,039
or i'm working on like

800
00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:30,720
uh getting my medical records from cia

801
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:33,600
right now um i need to go back to cia

802
00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:36,799
um i have a uh number it's not double o

803
00:29:40,230 --> 00:29:38,080
seven

804
00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:40,240
but there is a number um of several

805
00:29:44,470 --> 00:29:42,640
digits and i give them that number and

806
00:29:46,470 --> 00:29:44,480
they have my name

807
00:29:47,830 --> 00:29:46,480
and being cia i mean they know where i

808
00:29:49,110 --> 00:29:47,840
live they know my phone number they know

809
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:49,120
my email address they know my social

810
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:50,640
security number i give them all that but

811
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:53,200
that proves to them that i am who i am

812
00:29:56,310 --> 00:29:55,039
yeah and now they really know who i am

813
00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:56,320
because i've been out on all these

814
00:29:59,830 --> 00:29:57,919
interviews just say have you gotten any

815
00:30:00,870 --> 00:29:59,840
calls from the cia since then since the

816
00:30:02,549 --> 00:30:00,880
interview

817
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:02,559
i've been i've been contacting them back

818
00:30:06,630 --> 00:30:04,799
and forth because it's a dialogue i have

819
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:06,640
when i do these things i need to let

820
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:09,600
them know that if i provide new

821
00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:12,240
information i need to vet them vet that

822
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:13,760
information through them

823
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:15,360
so far i haven't

824
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:17,200
done so because that presentation is

825
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:18,960
basically intact

826
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:21,120
the front part of that presentation was

827
00:30:25,909 --> 00:30:24,480
uh done in about two 2015 to 2016.

828
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:25,919
so i have been sitting on the front part

829
00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:27,840
part one for a long time

830
00:30:31,590 --> 00:30:30,080
and two three four and five i did

831
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:31,600
recently

832
00:30:35,909 --> 00:30:34,080
and so the entire package went to cia

833
00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:35,919
and they it came right back to me

834
00:30:40,070 --> 00:30:38,000
completely unredacted so i didn't do a

835
00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:40,080
very good job

836
00:30:42,789 --> 00:30:41,600
we talked about the the ndas and stuff

837
00:30:45,350 --> 00:30:42,799
you know i'm curious about how

838
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:45,360
compartmentalized the cia is say you

839
00:30:48,310 --> 00:30:46,880
know you find you're studying the

840
00:30:50,950 --> 00:30:48,320
ballistic missiles and you find some

841
00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:50,960
weird things in the sky over russia and

842
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:53,360
you know write up a report on that would

843
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:55,440
the same people be investigating that on

844
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:57,440
the ground or would they hand it off to

845
00:31:00,950 --> 00:30:59,120
you know another part of the agency that

846
00:31:02,710 --> 00:31:00,960
didn't go investigate and if they did

847
00:31:04,149 --> 00:31:02,720
hand it off would would they ever you

848
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:04,159
know find out the results of that

849
00:31:07,669 --> 00:31:05,840
investigation well

850
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:07,679
i would just use the general case of how

851
00:31:12,789 --> 00:31:10,159
we do intelligence and basically we have

852
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:12,799
a source and in this case it was uh an

853
00:31:16,870 --> 00:31:15,120
nro source i can say that because i put

854
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:16,880
it in my presentation and cia didn't

855
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:20,720
redact it so the nro

856
00:31:25,029 --> 00:31:22,960
has space assets they fly

857
00:31:28,789 --> 00:31:25,039
and for various customers and they're

858
00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:28,799
basically two customers they fly for nga

859
00:31:33,669 --> 00:31:31,120
because nga wants pitchers

860
00:31:35,110 --> 00:31:33,679
and they fly for nsa because nsas wants

861
00:31:37,269 --> 00:31:35,120
signals

862
00:31:38,950 --> 00:31:37,279
and so in this case it was pictures it

863
00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:38,960
was something in imagery

864
00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:41,519
and so when they see that in ga they're

865
00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:44,080
all like top secret sei clear

866
00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:45,760
and they may have compartments within

867
00:31:49,990 --> 00:31:48,080
nga but they're all cleared to work in

868
00:31:51,430 --> 00:31:50,000
nga basically everyone has the same

869
00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:51,440
level of clearance

870
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:53,840
um and so they saw something right and

871
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:56,080
so they said ah that's interesting and

872
00:32:01,110 --> 00:31:58,880
then they did exactly what i said in sly

873
00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:01,120
you know they went to cia they went to

874
00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:03,440
dia what do you guys know about what the

875
00:32:08,389 --> 00:32:05,279
russians have lying up in space because

876
00:32:11,110 --> 00:32:08,399
we saw this over russian airspace so

877
00:32:13,509 --> 00:32:11,120
dia does their thing we did our thing we

878
00:32:15,990 --> 00:32:13,519
got rs experts to look at it and they're

879
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:16,000
all ts sci cleared

880
00:32:19,909 --> 00:32:17,679
for that data

881
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:19,919
because to get an sci you're already

882
00:32:24,070 --> 00:32:22,080
like pretty high up

883
00:32:25,350 --> 00:32:24,080
in terms of eligibility to get other

884
00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:25,360
compartments

885
00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:28,399
um so we did the uh we did the analysis

886
00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:30,240
and it's still pretty much

887
00:32:33,190 --> 00:32:32,240
top secret sci like everyone has in the

888
00:32:35,190 --> 00:32:33,200
building

889
00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:35,200
and so there's no like special

890
00:32:39,909 --> 00:32:37,440
compartment yet

891
00:32:44,230 --> 00:32:39,919
and so when my engineers were done and

892
00:32:45,269 --> 00:32:44,240
they reported back to our

893
00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:45,279
principal

894
00:32:48,789 --> 00:32:46,960
who was tagged to

895
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:48,799
represent

896
00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:51,279
this subject matter area he was the one

897
00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:53,440
guy that was the such man experts that

898
00:32:55,909 --> 00:32:54,159
then

899
00:32:59,509 --> 00:32:55,919
talked to other subject matter experts

900
00:33:02,710 --> 00:32:59,519
within his or her own agency our guy uh

901
00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:02,720
then took it back up to nga and nro

902
00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:04,159
and so everybody

903
00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:05,440
his counterparts throughout the

904
00:33:09,669 --> 00:33:07,600
intelligence community did the same

905
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:09,679
and so at that point you know it's still

906
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:11,600
top secret sci and they said we need a

907
00:33:16,149 --> 00:33:14,240
working group to look at this

908
00:33:18,789 --> 00:33:16,159
that's when the compartment started

909
00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:18,799
because in order to look at what

910
00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:20,320
we saw

911
00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:23,440
at the top secret sci level

912
00:33:30,789 --> 00:33:25,840
my engineers needed to be read into what

913
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:33,110
and that's when they got cleared into

914
00:33:37,110 --> 00:33:35,919
what we have

915
00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:37,120
and so

916
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:39,440
then they got cleared into what we know

917
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:43,200
about what we think ufos are really like

918
00:33:47,350 --> 00:33:45,360
so they got cleared into that and they

919
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:47,360
got cleared all the way like i

920
00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:48,640
personally i think they went back to

921
00:33:54,149 --> 00:33:50,640
roswell

922
00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:54,159
um because um they they they had that

923
00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:55,760
compartment

924
00:34:01,750 --> 00:33:57,360
but were you cleared into this stuff as

925
00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:04,870
a smart cia officer will know this

926
00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:07,600
never ask for more compartments

927
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:09,520
that you can work because the more

928
00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:11,040
compartments you have

929
00:34:18,629 --> 00:34:13,520
that's more work for you so i try to get

930
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:23,990
any contract

931
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:25,669
don't tell me if i don't know because i

932
00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:28,159
can function without it right i got read

933
00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:30,320
to a point it wasn't even a reading i

934
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:32,320
mean it was like oh we need a couple of

935
00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:34,560
your engineers and i go why and so well

936
00:34:37,589 --> 00:34:36,159
here's why

937
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:37,599
right so okay

938
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:39,599
now i didn't say anything about that for

939
00:34:43,349 --> 00:34:41,200
a long time

940
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:43,359
until 2017

941
00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:45,280
until louis lozando until he started

942
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:46,960
talking about orbs and people are

943
00:34:52,149 --> 00:34:49,280
talking about orbs and thick tack and go

944
00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:52,159
fast and gimbal and that all right okay

945
00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:53,919
now i can talk about yeah we saw these

946
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:56,560
things like way back when because it's

947
00:35:02,470 --> 00:34:59,040
the cat's out of the bag right right and

948
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:02,480
james lecasky wrote his book um skin

949
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:04,560
walks was the pentagon

950
00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:07,440
and then he mentioned orbs and so like

951
00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:10,160
okay it's it's out of the bag right

952
00:35:14,310 --> 00:35:12,880
so i'm freer to talk about what we saw

953
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:14,320
back then but

954
00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:16,400
back then i would have said a word

955
00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:19,280
even if i was uh retired at that point i

956
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:21,040
couldn't have said anything about what i

957
00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:22,320
saw

958
00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:24,800
uh but thanks to the recent revelations

959
00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:26,720
i can so i'm not answering your question

960
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:28,079
i know we're

961
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:29,680
i think i lost your question somewhere

962
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:32,320
and you were talking about compartments

963
00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:34,720
well well yeah yeah it's kind of yeah if

964
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:36,800
would you would you want to and i guess

965
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:37,760
you know that kind of raises the

966
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:38,880
question of

967
00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:40,880
there might be other people at the cia

968
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:42,560
who might

969
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:44,640
know what these are ufos or otherwise

970
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:46,320
right but it wouldn't be you at this

971
00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:52,870
no no i have to i i make an informed

972
00:35:57,510 --> 00:35:54,240
speculation that's why i call it

973
00:36:00,550 --> 00:35:57,520
informed because i know what we saw

974
00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:00,560
and i have to speculate what it might be

975
00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:03,680
and so that's where uh my value comes in

976
00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:05,440
and that lou can also do an informed

977
00:36:09,430 --> 00:36:06,800
speculation

978
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:09,440
right but he's also extremely informed

979
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:11,280
and jim semivan and all these folks and

980
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:12,480
i'm using their

981
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:14,160
names without getting their permission

982
00:36:17,829 --> 00:36:15,839
but i mean there are public figures now

983
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:17,839
right right so chris mel and all those

984
00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:20,160
guys they they know what's up there

985
00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:22,640
but they still have clearances

986
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:24,960
i don't so they still have to protect

987
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:26,560
what they know

988
00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:28,320
i on the other hand can talk about

989
00:36:33,109 --> 00:36:30,880
something that happened decades ago

990
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:33,119
because what happened decades ago is now

991
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:35,760
in the public domain and released

992
00:36:41,430 --> 00:36:39,040
officially so i'm a little freer to put

993
00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:41,440
more context into what i say

994
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:44,560
and so the compartment came later

995
00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:46,800
when the working group was started and

996
00:36:50,950 --> 00:36:48,720
um

997
00:36:53,109 --> 00:36:50,960
so

998
00:36:55,589 --> 00:36:53,119
at that point you know i was out of the

999
00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:55,599
picture i was i needed to be briefed to

1000
00:37:00,870 --> 00:36:58,400
a point where i had two of my engineers

1001
00:37:02,950 --> 00:37:00,880
i was responsible for writing

1002
00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:02,960
performance appraisal reports

1003
00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:04,880
we known them as pars

1004
00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:06,880
so i need to evaluate their work and how

1005
00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:08,480
can i evaluate the work unless i know

1006
00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:10,079
why they're flying to

1007
00:37:13,670 --> 00:37:12,800
and i'll say it st louis missouri nga

1008
00:37:15,910 --> 00:37:13,680
west

1009
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:15,920
for these meetings

1010
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:18,240
um so and then they came back and so i

1011
00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:20,480
had to sign their travel orders you know

1012
00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:22,640
sign for their airplane tickets and sign

1013
00:37:27,190 --> 00:37:24,880
for their hotel accommodations right

1014
00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:27,200
and their uh what we call mie

1015
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:29,920
uh meals and incidental expenses

1016
00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:31,760
um aside for all that i need to know

1017
00:37:36,069 --> 00:37:33,200
what they were doing and they also came

1018
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:36,079
back say boss we need a safe

1019
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:37,680
okay no i don't have to order why you

1020
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:39,599
need to save well we got this super

1021
00:37:43,030 --> 00:37:41,200
secret compartment

1022
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:43,040
and which you're not right into but we

1023
00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:44,640
need to throw things in there because we

1024
00:37:49,670 --> 00:37:47,680
can't put it in the regular safe so okay

1025
00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:49,680
so that's that's how i got to know what

1026
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:51,200
they're doing so they were throwing

1027
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:53,760
things in there left and right

1028
00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:55,440
they looked wide-eyed and scared when

1029
00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:57,200
they came back and talked to you yeah no

1030
00:38:00,950 --> 00:37:58,480
they basically they knew i was

1031
00:38:02,630 --> 00:38:00,960
interested in ufos because at my desk

1032
00:38:04,790 --> 00:38:02,640
back in the days when

1033
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:04,800
uh monitors were not this like flat

1034
00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:06,160
panel i have in front of me but there

1035
00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:08,240
were these big ass crts

1036
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:11,680
uh on this big ass crt um that says dell

1037
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:14,400
um i had a ufo doll

1038
00:38:17,349 --> 00:38:15,680
um

1039
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:17,359
e.t doll

1040
00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:19,920
a gray which actually was colored green

1041
00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:22,240
it's gray and i used to set it on there

1042
00:38:24,790 --> 00:38:23,440
and everyone knew this i was interested

1043
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:24,800
in ufos

1044
00:38:28,230 --> 00:38:26,640
and everyone knew that it was my hobby

1045
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:28,240
and everyone knew i used to go to ufo

1046
00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:30,560
conferences on my own dime paying for my

1047
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:32,800
own airplane tickets and conference fees

1048
00:38:36,069 --> 00:38:33,440
and

1049
00:38:37,829 --> 00:38:36,079
uh hotels so the interest in ufos was

1050
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:37,839
well known and i connected with other

1051
00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:40,079
people at the agency who had this as a

1052
00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:41,440
hobby

1053
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:43,520
we never studied it like

1054
00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:45,200
as a thing

1055
00:38:49,349 --> 00:38:46,720
but we had it as a hobby and it wasn't

1056
00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:49,359
really studied as a thing until you know

1057
00:38:53,589 --> 00:38:51,440
i described the orbs but i believe there

1058
00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:53,599
were people in the agency who already

1059
00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:56,320
knew what was going on

1060
00:39:01,990 --> 00:38:58,800
and that was slide 54

1061
00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:02,000
my infamous hybrid slide

1062
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:05,599
and how i say that was told to me

1063
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:12,950
one of three briefings i got

1064
00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:14,400
on this phenomenon

1065
00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:16,960
that's related to ufos and uaps and who

1066
00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:18,400
might be driving them

1067
00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:19,599
so

1068
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:21,040
i thought you weren't right into that

1069
00:39:24,870 --> 00:39:22,720
stuff i wasn't

1070
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:24,880
somebody screwed up

1071
00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:26,640
or somebody i don't know what the

1072
00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:29,200
situation was i told cia that you know

1073
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:30,400
there's going to be a slide about

1074
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:31,599
hybrids

1075
00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:33,359
and here's how i knew

1076
00:39:38,630 --> 00:39:35,839
and i told cia directly the meeting i

1077
00:39:41,829 --> 00:39:38,640
was in about the time it occurred the

1078
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:41,839
two senior senior officers who sponsored

1079
00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:42,960
a meeting

1080
00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:44,720
and other people who were there in the

1081
00:39:49,270 --> 00:39:46,960
bill in the in the meeting

1082
00:39:51,750 --> 00:39:49,280
which were ci officers maybe other

1083
00:39:53,349 --> 00:39:51,760
intelligence officers but i recognized

1084
00:39:55,270 --> 00:39:53,359
two ci officers

1085
00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:55,280
personally that i knew

1086
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:57,040
plus a whole bunch of academics i didn't

1087
00:40:00,790 --> 00:39:59,040
know because we had a sign-in sheet and

1088
00:40:02,069 --> 00:40:00,800
when they signed in their uh email

1089
00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:02,079
addresses they had

1090
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:03,760
edu after their

1091
00:40:08,870 --> 00:40:05,200
email address

1092
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:08,880
the rest of us has have.gov

1093
00:40:13,750 --> 00:40:11,520
so i knew that you know okay

1094
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:13,760
this was a interesting briefing

1095
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:15,359
it was at a hotel

1096
00:40:18,790 --> 00:40:16,960
a hotel

1097
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:18,800
and identified the hotel the cia i was

1098
00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:20,640
at this hotel

1099
00:40:25,349 --> 00:40:23,119
and uh gave him the address and i as i

1100
00:40:26,790 --> 00:40:25,359
went upstairs there was no security

1101
00:40:28,390 --> 00:40:26,800
officer

1102
00:40:30,309 --> 00:40:28,400
no badges

1103
00:40:31,829 --> 00:40:30,319
and i could carry my cell phone into the

1104
00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:31,839
meeting

1105
00:40:35,510 --> 00:40:33,440
that tells you right there that that's

1106
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:35,520
an unclassified meeting folks

1107
00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:37,599
and who are you introduced

1108
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:39,760
who instructed you to attend the meeting

1109
00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:41,280
ah that's one of the names i can't

1110
00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:42,960
mention i don't have permission to meet

1111
00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:44,400
the media but you were but you were

1112
00:40:49,510 --> 00:40:46,000
instructed i was invited

1113
00:40:51,750 --> 00:40:49,520
were invited you invited me i was

1114
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:51,760
interested in ufos and that you know

1115
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:54,240
they did they knew that interest all

1116
00:40:59,990 --> 00:40:56,960
right so the one tidbit i have is that

1117
00:41:01,990 --> 00:41:00,000
the folks who sponsor the meetings

1118
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:02,000
uh

1119
00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:04,400
the office that sponsor them

1120
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:07,599
is the same office that

1121
00:41:12,390 --> 00:41:09,599
was the successor to the office kick

1122
00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:13,589
okay

1123
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:16,160
if this meeting wasn't development

1124
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:17,760
go ahead if this meeting wasn't

1125
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:19,200
classified though why can't you tell us

1126
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:21,040
who arranged it and tell us more about

1127
00:41:25,349 --> 00:41:22,400
it because

1128
00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:25,359
again um when i name cia officers i need

1129
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:27,359
to get cia's permission

1130
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:28,640
there's a thing called the intelligence

1131
00:41:31,829 --> 00:41:30,000
yeah that makes sense

1132
00:41:36,790 --> 00:41:31,839
intelligence identities

1133
00:41:38,710 --> 00:41:36,800
iipa

1134
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:38,720
you cannot

1135
00:41:42,069 --> 00:41:41,200
independently name a ci officer i can

1136
00:41:43,510 --> 00:41:42,079
self

1137
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:43,520
proclaim sure no that makes sense you

1138
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:45,599
don't want to out via the exactly i

1139
00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:47,280
don't know what their clearance status

1140
00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:50,240
was at all

1141
00:41:53,190 --> 00:41:51,920
do you know why why they

1142
00:41:55,109 --> 00:41:53,200
set up this meeting though like what

1143
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:55,119
context did they

1144
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:56,319
were they telling you this information

1145
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:57,599
were you were you researching something

1146
00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:00,640
that you needed to know

1147
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:02,800
i don't know that's that's a mystery

1148
00:42:05,109 --> 00:42:03,920
sharing

1149
00:42:06,870 --> 00:42:05,119
that i don't

1150
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:06,880
that's kind of a bizarre way to share

1151
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:08,560
information because even if it was

1152
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:10,640
shared at that level of what i think i

1153
00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:12,480
was told you would think there would be

1154
00:42:16,309 --> 00:42:14,720
a skiff it wasn't right

1155
00:42:17,829 --> 00:42:16,319
you think it's possible that they might

1156
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:17,839
have been feeding you misinformation or

1157
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:19,680
some other kind of weird thing going on

1158
00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:22,079
no because i reached back to other folks

1159
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:24,160
and confirmed the fact that what they

1160
00:42:29,589 --> 00:42:27,200
knew was the actual truth and plus their

1161
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:29,599
who they were

1162
00:42:32,309 --> 00:42:31,359
in the building

1163
00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:32,319
yeah

1164
00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:34,079
did they provide any evidence that they

1165
00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:35,440
are that this was true or did they just

1166
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:36,960
say that this is kind of the theory that

1167
00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:38,400
they were going with

1168
00:42:42,829 --> 00:42:40,400
no it's not a theory they actually

1169
00:42:45,030 --> 00:42:42,839
stated what they stated so

1170
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:45,040
so and then i confirmed it later

1171
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:48,480
they stated it to you as facts so the

1172
00:42:53,349 --> 00:42:51,359
your report that you shared was not your

1173
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:53,359
speculation you're sharing what was

1174
00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:54,400
stated

1175
00:42:57,270 --> 00:42:56,560
to you in an open meeting

1176
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:57,280
all

1177
00:43:01,430 --> 00:42:59,760
sly 54 right it was shared with that

1178
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:01,440
group of people which i would say

1179
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:03,440
numbered like

1180
00:43:07,589 --> 00:43:05,760
maybe three or four dozen at the most

1181
00:43:08,790 --> 00:43:07,599
but it was not held in the closed area

1182
00:43:10,790 --> 00:43:08,800
as you said

1183
00:43:13,589 --> 00:43:10,800
bring your own cell phone in with you

1184
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:13,599
you weren't searched nothing like that

1185
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:14,720
nope

1186
00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:16,480
and i mean it was presented as fact as

1187
00:43:20,470 --> 00:43:18,160
in it was just said as fact but there

1188
00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:20,480
was no proof or or anything to back up

1189
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:22,480
that fact no because when you have

1190
00:43:27,270 --> 00:43:24,720
people at that level who they were

1191
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:27,280
saying you do that yeah say officers

1192
00:43:30,309 --> 00:43:29,280
don't that's a pretty big claim

1193
00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:30,319
that is not

1194
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:32,800
it is not you have to understand the

1195
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:34,880
culture of cia

1196
00:43:38,710 --> 00:43:35,680
you know

1197
00:43:41,270 --> 00:43:38,720
when that lev that person at that level

1198
00:43:43,589 --> 00:43:41,280
says something like that

1199
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:43,599
he can back it up and then i go back and

1200
00:43:46,950 --> 00:43:45,839
then ask

1201
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:46,960
later

1202
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:49,760
about this and then have that confirmed

1203
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:51,839
and then this was before

1204
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:55,359
the orb working group

1205
00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:58,560
orb working group yeah now since like

1206
00:44:03,670 --> 00:44:00,960
it's in the slides yeah yeah it's those

1207
00:44:06,630 --> 00:44:03,680
slides there was a working group that

1208
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:06,640
occurred way before asap

1209
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:10,079
osap was the after the title 50 civilian

1210
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:11,760
side of the intelligence

1211
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:13,440
was done with the orb working group and

1212
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:15,599
there we don't look at at it like it's a

1213
00:44:18,870 --> 00:44:16,960
threat

1214
00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:18,880
we look at the science and technology

1215
00:44:24,069 --> 00:44:22,160
aspects of our phenomena

1216
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:24,079
and then we toss it over to title 10

1217
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:26,560
which is dod and of course dld survives

1218
00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:28,960
on everything being a threat

1219
00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:31,359
right so you this was this was explained

1220
00:44:35,670 --> 00:44:34,240
to you as fact and did was this like i

1221
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:35,680
guess i'm still trying i'm struggling to

1222
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:38,160
understand the context of the briefing

1223
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:40,640
and what was what was the goal was it

1224
00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:42,640
just to disseminate this information

1225
00:44:48,829 --> 00:44:45,040
throughout interested parties in the cia

1226
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:51,750
intelligence there were three

1227
00:44:55,109 --> 00:44:53,680
items on the agenda

1228
00:44:57,109 --> 00:44:55,119
one was

1229
00:45:00,550 --> 00:44:57,119
a historical look back at cia's

1230
00:45:02,150 --> 00:45:00,560
relationship with ufos in general

1231
00:45:05,349 --> 00:45:02,160
and

1232
00:45:07,990 --> 00:45:05,359
that's where sly 53 was the mcminnville

1233
00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:08,000
ufo the famous one

1234
00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:10,960
uh in 1950 and that was briefed as this

1235
00:45:15,190 --> 00:45:13,599
is an authentic ufo

1236
00:45:17,109 --> 00:45:15,200
and because

1237
00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:17,119
then the reason why it's never been

1238
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:18,640
successfully

1239
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:21,119
debunked is because it is authentic and

1240
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:23,280
we know it

1241
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:24,560
that was there

1242
00:45:30,309 --> 00:45:27,359
number two was

1243
00:45:35,910 --> 00:45:32,630
and number three was

1244
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:35,920
the future of information technology

1245
00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:37,359
will explode

1246
00:45:41,670 --> 00:45:40,000
we are working with a company

1247
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:41,680
to disseminate

1248
00:45:49,510 --> 00:45:44,640
and allow a dialogue of information like

1249
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:50,950
is google

1250
00:45:57,430 --> 00:45:52,400
google

1251
00:45:59,670 --> 00:45:57,440
we provided with earth viewer which

1252
00:46:01,589 --> 00:45:59,680
became google earth and we provided them

1253
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:01,599
with search tools which became google

1254
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:03,920
search is that different than the uh the

1255
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:06,000
company the business or yeah the company

1256
00:46:11,430 --> 00:46:09,280
that you referenced last week on the uh

1257
00:46:12,790 --> 00:46:11,440
on your interview with uh i apologize

1258
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:12,800
andy

1259
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:14,880
mcgrillen

1260
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:16,480
which company did i mention that you

1261
00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:18,000
said that you that after the interview

1262
00:46:23,829 --> 00:46:20,160
you were going to um discuss a company

1263
00:46:25,030 --> 00:46:23,839
via twitter oh that was cosmos id okay i

1264
00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:25,040
wasn't sure if you were referencing

1265
00:46:30,550 --> 00:46:27,520
google as that company oh that's cosmos

1266
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:30,560
id that's a very interesting company

1267
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:32,880
well i still hung up on the hybrids

1268
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:34,400
right because you know if there were

1269
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:36,720
aliens aliens intervening with our dna

1270
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:38,079
there would be you know records of it

1271
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:40,240
that's kind of a falsifiable thing and

1272
00:46:43,990 --> 00:46:42,000
when you go and you look at the biology

1273
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:44,000
and you know the dna history and stuff

1274
00:46:47,190 --> 00:46:45,760
there there isn't any evidence of that

1275
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:47,200
there is evidence that there are

1276
00:46:52,230 --> 00:46:49,920
reptilian uh there there's

1277
00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:52,240
science is now seeing

1278
00:46:57,030 --> 00:46:54,560
that there was a common reptilian

1279
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:57,040
ancestors ancestors sure that's that's

1280
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:58,560
right evolution right yeah that's

1281
00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:00,720
evolution right now

1282
00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:03,520
what i was told that

1283
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:04,640
okay

1284
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:07,520
one point that i will talk about

1285
00:47:12,550 --> 00:47:10,640
without getting ci's permission since

1286
00:47:13,829 --> 00:47:12,560
world war ii

1287
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:13,839
we learned

1288
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:14,880
that

1289
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:22,870
an alien hybridization of humans

1290
00:47:27,829 --> 00:47:25,349
exclusively since world war ii

1291
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:27,839
that's when the cra learned about it

1292
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:28,800
okay

1293
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:30,240
world war ii

1294
00:47:34,069 --> 00:47:31,920
that's what prompted me to look back at

1295
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:34,079
world war ii and say okay where did this

1296
00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:35,680
information come from

1297
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:37,040
but there's still it should be a dna

1298
00:47:40,549 --> 00:47:38,880
record of that we should be able to tell

1299
00:47:43,109 --> 00:47:40,559
absolutely and that's what's not

1300
00:47:44,710 --> 00:47:43,119
released that's still well but i mean

1301
00:47:46,549 --> 00:47:44,720
this is being done by academics it's you

1302
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:46,559
know the government doesn't do the dna

1303
00:47:51,109 --> 00:47:49,200
research yeah exactly yes well sure but

1304
00:47:53,430 --> 00:47:51,119
i would there it's not private right

1305
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:53,440
there's no classification of our dna

1306
00:47:58,230 --> 00:47:56,160
classified looking into our dna

1307
00:48:00,069 --> 00:47:58,240
you can classify our dna you think that

1308
00:48:00,870 --> 00:48:00,079
they're holding secrets of our dna from

1309
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:00,880
us

1310
00:48:08,710 --> 00:48:07,200
law allows cia and the intelligence

1311
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:08,720
community to do operations like that

1312
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:11,040
because no one bothers to read

1313
00:48:13,829 --> 00:48:12,480
the law

1314
00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:13,839
so you think that they're going into

1315
00:48:18,230 --> 00:48:16,240
like the you know university biology

1316
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:18,240
programs and

1317
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:19,440
don't study this you know you can't

1318
00:48:21,990 --> 00:48:20,720
publish things

1319
00:48:23,589 --> 00:48:22,000
that's not the right wouldn't that mean

1320
00:48:25,589 --> 00:48:23,599
they're also redacting information from

1321
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:25,599
organizations like 23 and me and

1322
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:27,520
ancestry and those others once you give

1323
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:29,839
your blood uh once you give your uh

1324
00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:32,400
saliva to 23andme these others

1325
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:34,240
if you read the fine print you gave away

1326
00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:37,040
your dna for the purposes of you know

1327
00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:38,720
creating different research yeah it's

1328
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:41,520
like big pharma

1329
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:43,680
you can buy it it's it's it's it's for

1330
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:45,760
sale but so

1331
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:46,480
then

1332
00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:48,000
is the cia and other intelligence

1333
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:50,000
organizations working directly with

1334
00:48:53,589 --> 00:48:51,680
these companies to

1335
00:48:55,109 --> 00:48:53,599
limit what information they put back out

1336
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:55,119
to the populace

1337
00:48:59,910 --> 00:48:56,160
i don't know

1338
00:49:03,670 --> 00:48:59,920
cosmos id

1339
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:03,680
because there's a company involved in

1340
00:49:08,069 --> 00:49:06,319
the human genome involving involved in

1341
00:49:11,349 --> 00:49:08,079
bioinformatics

1342
00:49:13,109 --> 00:49:11,359
uh involved in um

1343
00:49:14,790 --> 00:49:13,119
dna

1344
00:49:17,109 --> 00:49:14,800
and then you look at the company and

1345
00:49:19,750 --> 00:49:17,119
then you look at who are the consultants

1346
00:49:21,030 --> 00:49:19,760
to that company it's a who's who of ic

1347
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:21,040
officers

1348
00:49:25,349 --> 00:49:22,640
and the company was started by somebody

1349
00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:25,359
from the national science foundation

1350
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:27,680
and so if you go back to foia and you go

1351
00:49:31,510 --> 00:49:29,520
back to national science foundation and

1352
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:31,520
you research who these people are

1353
00:49:36,069 --> 00:49:33,839
all of a sudden you go oh my gosh these

1354
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:36,079
guys are really well connected in fact

1355
00:49:40,150 --> 00:49:39,200
one of the officers was ceo

1356
00:49:43,109 --> 00:49:40,160
of

1357
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:43,119
e g and g

1358
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:46,079
eg g was the parking lot

1359
00:49:49,109 --> 00:49:47,119
where

1360
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:49,119
eric w davis allegedly had his

1361
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:51,520
conversation with admiral wilson he went

1362
00:49:57,270 --> 00:49:54,000
to the egmg facility

1363
00:50:00,069 --> 00:49:57,280
in north las vegas and the guy who

1364
00:50:02,069 --> 00:50:00,079
was the ceo of that company

1365
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:02,079
who is the uh operations maintenance

1366
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:04,800
contractor area 51 is part of the

1367
00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:05,920
scientific

1368
00:50:09,750 --> 00:50:07,280
consultation

1369
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:09,760
team for

1370
00:50:15,930 --> 00:50:21,190
[Laughter]

1371
00:50:25,829 --> 00:50:22,790
the university academics who you know

1372
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:25,839
study records you know back in the day

1373
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:27,440
there are other intelligent hominoid

1374
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:29,280
species and that we you know killed them

1375
00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:30,880
all they can tell us fascinating things

1376
00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:33,359
with our dna history and right yeah the

1377
00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:36,000
dinosaurs and the neanderthals

1378
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:36,880
yeah

1379
00:50:41,910 --> 00:50:39,599
the tragedy of that meeting was that not

1380
00:50:44,549 --> 00:50:41,920
only was the meeting unclassified

1381
00:50:46,150 --> 00:50:44,559
the agenda was unclassified and so was

1382
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:46,160
the sign-up sheet

1383
00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:47,760
well say the real tragedy is that they

1384
00:50:52,069 --> 00:50:49,520
didn't actually provide any evidence for

1385
00:50:53,109 --> 00:50:52,079
their claims right oh no but you it's

1386
00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:53,119
it's

1387
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:55,839
and

1388
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:57,359
what was the last what was the third

1389
00:51:01,270 --> 00:50:58,800
before we go any further what was the

1390
00:51:03,270 --> 00:51:01,280
third you you had the history

1391
00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:03,280
right i mentioned that google uh uh

1392
00:51:07,270 --> 00:51:05,440
these they said that uh and if they

1393
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:07,280
actually said in the future all this

1394
00:51:11,270 --> 00:51:08,640
information

1395
00:51:12,950 --> 00:51:11,280
will be searchable uh with a device that

1396
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:12,960
you can hold in the palm of your hand we

1397
00:51:17,349 --> 00:51:15,599
are working toward that device

1398
00:51:19,670 --> 00:51:17,359
and their partner at the time was google

1399
00:51:21,109 --> 00:51:19,680
google

1400
00:51:24,309 --> 00:51:21,119
creators of

1401
00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:24,319
android the operating system so real

1402
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:25,680
quick i just want to go back one more

1403
00:51:28,950 --> 00:51:26,800
time to

1404
00:51:30,790 --> 00:51:28,960
um the hybrids and the and so when they

1405
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:30,800
spoke to you about this this was

1406
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:32,960
something that they were saying they

1407
00:51:38,950 --> 00:51:35,680
did they say why they believe this or

1408
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:38,960
what they discovered that points to this

1409
00:51:45,750 --> 00:51:42,960
idea of of human reptilian hybrids

1410
00:51:48,069 --> 00:51:45,760
i had to research that on my own

1411
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:48,079
they didn't make that connection

1412
00:51:50,549 --> 00:51:49,200
did you research it and you know

1413
00:51:53,109 --> 00:51:50,559
classified documents or just kind of

1414
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:53,119
like online no online just just putting

1415
00:51:57,270 --> 00:51:54,240
it together

1416
00:51:59,030 --> 00:51:57,280
um but they said specifically that but

1417
00:52:01,430 --> 00:51:59,040
they didn't provide any evidence but

1418
00:52:03,190 --> 00:52:01,440
they said this after world war ii yes

1419
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:03,200
that they discovered

1420
00:52:08,950 --> 00:52:06,800
that humans are hybrids

1421
00:52:11,030 --> 00:52:08,960
after world war ii so in my mind they

1422
00:52:13,349 --> 00:52:11,040
said okay

1423
00:52:16,150 --> 00:52:13,359
do we know of how we could have gotten

1424
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:16,160
alien dna after world war two

1425
00:52:20,309 --> 00:52:18,960
and now go huh roswell

1426
00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:20,319
crash

1427
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:26,790
were there actually bodies recovered did

1428
00:52:31,030 --> 00:52:28,800
we go back into the bodies and find

1429
00:52:32,309 --> 00:52:31,040
evidence of

1430
00:52:33,990 --> 00:52:32,319
our their humanization

1431
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:34,000
and ours and ours and theirs i don't

1432
00:52:37,910 --> 00:52:35,280
know

1433
00:52:39,910 --> 00:52:37,920
but other officers who claim the other

1434
00:52:43,030 --> 00:52:39,920
officer who claimed that he saw the

1435
00:52:47,349 --> 00:52:43,040
roswell files uh chase brandon

1436
00:52:49,510 --> 00:52:47,359
uh said yep they were like non-human

1437
00:52:52,150 --> 00:52:49,520
intelligent intelligences recovered from

1438
00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:52,160
the roswell crash he said he saw it

1439
00:52:55,270 --> 00:52:53,760
and then he had to write a novel to

1440
00:52:57,510 --> 00:52:55,280
describe how

1441
00:53:00,390 --> 00:52:57,520
it goes all the way back

1442
00:53:01,990 --> 00:53:00,400
to the atlantean period

1443
00:53:04,230 --> 00:53:02,000
well yeah i'd say that you know if they

1444
00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:04,240
did find alien bodies that had you know

1445
00:53:08,630 --> 00:53:06,960
weird dna that is alien and ours

1446
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:08,640
wouldn't the kind of obvious answer be

1447
00:53:13,510 --> 00:53:11,200
that those alien bodies are hybrids and

1448
00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:13,520
that like exactly

1449
00:53:20,950 --> 00:53:15,440
but you're saying that we're hybrids

1450
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:22,630
all of us are hybrids

1451
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:25,200
some are more more hybrid hybridized

1452
00:53:33,270 --> 00:53:30,230
one point

1453
00:53:35,589 --> 00:53:33,280
they told us that we know there are

1454
00:53:37,030 --> 00:53:35,599
certain families

1455
00:53:40,069 --> 00:53:37,040
that have been

1456
00:53:44,309 --> 00:53:40,079
hybridized to a great extent than others

1457
00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:44,319
and we will be following those families

1458
00:53:47,030 --> 00:53:45,359
that's where you know i think a lot of

1459
00:53:48,790 --> 00:53:47,040
people really take

1460
00:53:50,950 --> 00:53:48,800
a concern with this theory because right

1461
00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:50,960
that sounds a lot like david icke's uh

1462
00:53:56,150 --> 00:53:53,200
reptilian theory yeah but he's kind of

1463
00:53:58,870 --> 00:53:56,160
anti-semitic right he's thinking like um

1464
00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:58,880
i i i really i've not read any of his

1465
00:54:02,870 --> 00:54:01,440
books i tried not to read because i want

1466
00:54:05,829 --> 00:54:02,880
to be unfiltered

1467
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:05,839
um but if he's going with like this this

1468
00:54:10,549 --> 00:54:08,400
hybridization being part of a like a

1469
00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:10,559
plot to control the world and they're

1470
00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:13,440
evil and i don't buy that i just buy the

1471
00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:15,599
fact that you know that they're not

1472
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:16,960
controlling family it's a powerful

1473
00:54:21,030 --> 00:54:19,440
family no no no no no no no but some

1474
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:21,040
have

1475
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:23,040
some an ancient past

1476
00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:25,040
some families are related to those

1477
00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:27,520
families who were enhanced a little more

1478
00:54:31,589 --> 00:54:29,839
than others

1479
00:54:33,589 --> 00:54:31,599
you know and so i'm going for that and

1480
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:33,599
that's the hard way

1481
00:54:37,829 --> 00:54:36,000
right but i mean i can't swallow it

1482
00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:37,839
either i'm just telling you this is what

1483
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:40,079
i was told and so that's a research

1484
00:54:43,990 --> 00:54:42,400
point for others to research or to

1485
00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:44,000
debunk or to

1486
00:54:48,309 --> 00:54:46,319
not believe i mean it's up to you from a

1487
00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:48,319
purely semantic standpoint i mean we do

1488
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:51,440
have dna variances across humanity so

1489
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:53,920
even if it wasn't i mean not not to to

1490
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:55,680
parse it too much but even if it wasn't

1491
00:55:00,230 --> 00:54:58,079
uh direct influence from

1492
00:55:01,430 --> 00:55:00,240
uh an extraterrestrial peoples of some

1493
00:55:03,510 --> 00:55:01,440
kind

1494
00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:03,520
we obviously know that different people

1495
00:55:06,630 --> 00:55:05,520
have different dna markers so it would

1496
00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:06,640
be

1497
00:55:11,829 --> 00:55:10,160
very analogous to identifying things

1498
00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:11,839
so when we talk about a group of

1499
00:55:15,510 --> 00:55:14,160
families it could it doesn't necessarily

1500
00:55:16,470 --> 00:55:15,520
have to be a specific ethnicity it

1501
00:55:18,789 --> 00:55:16,480
doesn't necessarily have to be a

1502
00:55:20,710 --> 00:55:18,799
specific religious group i mean it could

1503
00:55:22,870 --> 00:55:20,720
be across you know just

1504
00:55:24,870 --> 00:55:22,880
something that we treat as

1505
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:24,880
genetic anomaly

1506
00:55:30,150 --> 00:55:28,000
you know we can't trace back that was

1507
00:55:32,069 --> 00:55:30,160
just introduced at world war ii

1508
00:55:34,069 --> 00:55:32,079
i would be shocked if academics would

1509
00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:34,079
overlook that or not right so

1510
00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:36,480
so that's what i'm curious because uh

1511
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:38,880
john you had said ancient families but

1512
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:41,440
then we also have the world war ii

1513
00:55:46,309 --> 00:55:43,440
so was it we found out during world war

1514
00:55:48,069 --> 00:55:46,319
ii and it had happened prior to that

1515
00:55:50,789 --> 00:55:48,079
but we didn't realize it till world war

1516
00:55:52,230 --> 00:55:50,799
ii somebody told us

1517
00:55:53,349 --> 00:55:52,240
okay

1518
00:55:55,030 --> 00:55:53,359
and so that's why you're kind of

1519
00:55:56,710 --> 00:55:55,040
relating it to rod well not so much

1520
00:55:59,670 --> 00:55:56,720
somebody told us but hey maybe we just

1521
00:56:02,470 --> 00:55:59,680
found out after this roswell crash after

1522
00:56:05,349 --> 00:56:02,480
doing a uh you know an autopsy

1523
00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:05,359
and it gets more complicated than that

1524
00:56:10,630 --> 00:56:07,599
um and that's what prompted lou to go in

1525
00:56:13,430 --> 00:56:10,640
a solitary i mean he did a very somber

1526
00:56:14,789 --> 00:56:13,440
solidly uh you guys probably remember

1527
00:56:16,789 --> 00:56:14,799
when he

1528
00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:16,799
did a really brilliant solitary about

1529
00:56:21,190 --> 00:56:18,960
suppose everything we've been taught in

1530
00:56:23,670 --> 00:56:21,200
schools by your parents by your churches

1531
00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:23,680
et cetera et cetera was wrong

1532
00:56:28,150 --> 00:56:26,640
we're wrong suppose all that

1533
00:56:31,270 --> 00:56:28,160
is wrong

1534
00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:31,280
and that and so i mean i urge people to

1535
00:56:35,030 --> 00:56:33,280
find that and actually listen to the

1536
00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:35,040
context of that

1537
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:37,599
that's the closest he got

1538
00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:40,240
and that where he said uh our

1539
00:56:44,230 --> 00:56:41,760
there may have been an enhancement of

1540
00:56:46,470 --> 00:56:44,240
our dna 70 000 years ago he put seventy

1541
00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:46,480
thousand an actual year i never heard

1542
00:56:50,710 --> 00:56:48,880
seventy thousand until he said it

1543
00:56:51,670 --> 00:56:50,720
but i mean he

1544
00:56:54,069 --> 00:56:51,680
he's

1545
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:54,079
i am very confident that the government

1546
00:56:58,950 --> 00:56:56,160
is sitting on this

1547
00:57:02,710 --> 00:56:58,960
and in order to understand

1548
00:57:04,710 --> 00:57:02,720
the uap in its entirety

1549
00:57:06,390 --> 00:57:04,720
where it came from why they're here

1550
00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:06,400
who's driving them

1551
00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:08,160
you have to go back to

1552
00:57:11,109 --> 00:57:09,520
like

1553
00:57:12,870 --> 00:57:11,119
what's our role why are they here

1554
00:57:13,829 --> 00:57:12,880
talking to us why they want to interact

1555
00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:13,839
with us

1556
00:57:18,549 --> 00:57:16,160
and you have to get past you got to

1557
00:57:20,710 --> 00:57:18,559
build that bridge to the fact that we

1558
00:57:23,109 --> 00:57:20,720
are hybrids and we may have been

1559
00:57:24,549 --> 00:57:23,119
hybridized by them and they themselves

1560
00:57:27,270 --> 00:57:24,559
may be hybrids

1561
00:57:29,910 --> 00:57:27,280
in order to get back to

1562
00:57:31,190 --> 00:57:29,920
the true uap story and why it's so

1563
00:57:33,190 --> 00:57:31,200
secret

1564
00:57:34,789 --> 00:57:33,200
because this will if the government

1565
00:57:36,470 --> 00:57:34,799
actually if the president biden actually

1566
00:57:38,710 --> 00:57:36,480
says we're all hybrids

1567
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:38,720
and you know we're alien hybrids well

1568
00:57:42,150 --> 00:57:40,559
what would happen the stock market would

1569
00:57:44,230 --> 00:57:42,160
like plunge

1570
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:44,240
i mean everything would just collapse

1571
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:45,839
and that can't happen so you have to

1572
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:47,760
have this what i call this controlled

1573
00:57:51,589 --> 00:57:50,000
dissemination a little of time let's

1574
00:57:54,390 --> 00:57:51,599
talk about we already know about the

1575
00:57:57,109 --> 00:57:54,400
craft okay this thing's in the air great

1576
00:57:59,030 --> 00:57:57,119
and now for the first time uh somebody

1577
00:58:00,470 --> 00:57:59,040
in position of authority like the dna

1578
00:58:02,789 --> 00:58:00,480
abraham said

1579
00:58:03,670 --> 00:58:02,799
uh that the extraterrestrial component

1580
00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:03,680
to this

1581
00:58:07,829 --> 00:58:05,440
that's the second thing that needs to be

1582
00:58:09,990 --> 00:58:07,839
talked about and go from there to go any

1583
00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:10,000
further than that you need the top cover

1584
00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:12,000
you need a law that says right people

1585
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:14,240
can now talk about it and that's why

1586
00:58:17,349 --> 00:58:15,040
that

1587
00:58:20,309 --> 00:58:17,359
bill in congress the one in the senate

1588
00:58:22,789 --> 00:58:20,319
the iaa the ndaa in the senate that is

1589
00:58:24,630 --> 00:58:22,799
so important because without that this

1590
00:58:27,109 --> 00:58:24,640
conversation stops and we're back to

1591
00:58:28,710 --> 00:58:27,119
where we are just speculating

1592
00:58:29,829 --> 00:58:28,720
when you're talking about the

1593
00:58:31,670 --> 00:58:29,839
sorry go ahead

1594
00:58:33,349 --> 00:58:31,680
well i was just saying oh sorry michael

1595
00:58:34,710 --> 00:58:33,359
i was just saying that just reminds me

1596
00:58:36,870 --> 00:58:34,720
you know you still got time to call your

1597
00:58:38,549 --> 00:58:36,880
congressman and senator use our website

1598
00:58:40,069 --> 00:58:38,559
the big phone home we've got templates

1599
00:58:42,390 --> 00:58:40,079
there if you guys don't know what to say

1600
00:58:44,870 --> 00:58:42,400
when you call and push for this ndaa

1601
00:58:47,510 --> 00:58:44,880
because it's important either way i mean

1602
00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:47,520
this legislation should be passed and so

1603
00:58:50,789 --> 00:58:49,680
just a quick reminder you still could

1604
00:58:52,950 --> 00:58:50,799
call your congressman you could still

1605
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:52,960
email them to uh write them tweet them

1606
00:58:56,470 --> 00:58:54,160
uh whatever you gotta do sorry michael

1607
00:58:58,069 --> 00:58:56,480
you were saying well i was gonna say um

1608
00:59:01,589 --> 00:58:58,079
you know just a question for you

1609
00:59:03,589 --> 00:59:01,599
regarding your experience in the cia and

1610
00:59:04,390 --> 00:59:03,599
your experience in this particular

1611
00:59:05,589 --> 00:59:04,400
meeting

1612
00:59:07,270 --> 00:59:05,599
i think one of the things that i'm

1613
00:59:08,549 --> 00:59:07,280
noticing is that you you know it's a

1614
00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:08,559
foregone conclusion that we're being

1615
00:59:13,270 --> 00:59:10,799
visited it's a foregone conclusion that

1616
00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:13,280
we've been manipulated um by these

1617
00:59:20,150 --> 00:59:16,000
beings but that being said

1618
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:20,160
if you don't have specific evidence from

1619
00:59:27,349 --> 00:59:23,680
the cia in their communication with you

1620
00:59:28,789 --> 00:59:27,359
what level of skepticism do you hold um

1621
00:59:31,430 --> 00:59:28,799
when it comes to

1622
00:59:33,589 --> 00:59:31,440
believing what you know a higher up in

1623
00:59:35,109 --> 00:59:33,599
the government tells you like i'd always

1624
00:59:37,030 --> 00:59:35,119
be extremely skeptical i don't know if

1625
00:59:38,870 --> 00:59:37,040
i'd ever if i'm ever going to be all in

1626
00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:38,880
100 believe anybody when it comes to

1627
00:59:40,950 --> 00:59:40,160
this topic

1628
00:59:42,309 --> 00:59:40,960
but

1629
00:59:44,470 --> 00:59:42,319
i think it's important to keep an open

1630
00:59:48,630 --> 00:59:44,480
mind so i'm trying to gauge your your

1631
00:59:53,270 --> 00:59:51,670
i came in as a believer so i would admit

1632
00:59:54,549 --> 00:59:53,280
that i was biased

1633
00:59:56,549 --> 00:59:54,559
toward

1634
00:59:58,150 --> 00:59:56,559
holding that

1635
01:00:00,870 --> 00:59:58,160
before i walked into the building for

1636
01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:00,880
the first time in 1984. due to all the

1637
01:00:05,589 --> 01:00:03,520
experiences that i've had as experiencer

1638
01:00:08,390 --> 01:00:05,599
so i came into the building

1639
01:00:10,390 --> 01:00:08,400
as a believer not as a skeptic

1640
01:00:12,710 --> 01:00:10,400
and in the building i met other

1641
01:00:14,789 --> 01:00:12,720
believers i met more believers than

1642
01:00:16,150 --> 01:00:14,799
skeptics in the building

1643
01:00:17,910 --> 01:00:16,160
and

1644
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:17,920
i know that there are people there who

1645
01:00:22,950 --> 01:00:19,760
actually know

1646
01:00:25,670 --> 01:00:22,960
the truth about what's going on

1647
01:00:31,349 --> 01:00:25,680
but again that's

1648
01:00:33,990 --> 01:00:32,710
yeah if you don't know the truth how can

1649
01:00:36,150 --> 01:00:34,000
you know that other people know the

1650
01:00:38,630 --> 01:00:36,160
truth

1651
01:00:45,510 --> 01:00:41,990
there is a cold within cia that we do

1652
01:00:49,190 --> 01:00:47,589
we do not lie to each other so at the

1653
01:00:51,589 --> 01:00:49,200
very least hard to describe what they

1654
01:00:53,030 --> 01:00:51,599
were telling you

1655
01:00:54,950 --> 01:00:53,040
so at the very least they believed what

1656
01:00:56,870 --> 01:00:54,960
they were telling you

1657
01:00:57,829 --> 01:00:56,880
even if what they believed may not have

1658
01:00:59,510 --> 01:00:57,839
been

1659
01:01:01,430 --> 01:00:59,520
and some of them are informed i know

1660
01:01:02,789 --> 01:01:01,440
that some of them are informed i know

1661
01:01:05,430 --> 01:01:02,799
that because of their position and what

1662
01:01:06,470 --> 01:01:05,440
they analyze that they are informed

1663
01:01:11,030 --> 01:01:06,480
um

1664
01:01:15,030 --> 01:01:12,870
no chance for them being mistaken i

1665
01:01:18,470 --> 01:01:15,040
think i

1666
01:01:19,990 --> 01:01:18,480
i think they have access to

1667
01:01:21,349 --> 01:01:20,000
compartment

1668
01:01:23,430 --> 01:01:21,359
intelligence

1669
01:01:25,190 --> 01:01:23,440
that i don't and others don't i think

1670
01:01:26,789 --> 01:01:25,200
they're people who actually know what's

1671
01:01:28,950 --> 01:01:26,799
going on

1672
01:01:30,950 --> 01:01:28,960
and that they're holding it

1673
01:01:33,910 --> 01:01:30,960
tightly now some of that is being

1674
01:01:36,630 --> 01:01:33,920
released some of that's loosening up

1675
01:01:38,390 --> 01:01:36,640
um and i think we're on the road for

1676
01:01:39,990 --> 01:01:38,400
that to occur

1677
01:01:41,910 --> 01:01:40,000
we you know because now we can talk

1678
01:01:44,950 --> 01:01:41,920
about who's driving when you say

1679
01:01:46,390 --> 01:01:44,960
extraterrestrial at that dni level now

1680
01:01:47,910 --> 01:01:46,400
you're talking about not the crap but

1681
01:01:49,670 --> 01:01:47,920
the drivers

1682
01:01:51,750 --> 01:01:49,680
that's the next step so i think slowly

1683
01:01:54,150 --> 01:01:51,760
but surely that

1684
01:01:55,510 --> 01:01:54,160
that realization will come to fruition

1685
01:01:56,710 --> 01:01:55,520
it's interesting because one of the

1686
01:01:58,150 --> 01:01:56,720
things that you mentioned earlier

1687
01:02:00,230 --> 01:01:58,160
something that you had direct contact

1688
01:02:02,150 --> 01:02:00,240
with and that was these orbs um but

1689
01:02:05,510 --> 01:02:02,160
you're also alluding to

1690
01:02:07,910 --> 01:02:05,520
um you know physical um

1691
01:02:09,990 --> 01:02:07,920
biological beings as well as and i'm

1692
01:02:10,950 --> 01:02:10,000
curious what your take is on

1693
01:02:13,670 --> 01:02:10,960
um

1694
01:02:15,589 --> 01:02:13,680
uh ufos or uaps that are believed to be

1695
01:02:17,270 --> 01:02:15,599
structured like the tic tac so what's

1696
01:02:20,789 --> 01:02:17,280
the relationship in your mind between

1697
01:02:24,470 --> 01:02:20,799
the orbs that you had direct uh evidence

1698
01:02:26,950 --> 01:02:24,480
of and these other uh objects the orbs

1699
01:02:29,109 --> 01:02:26,960
uh that we saw through uh the infrared

1700
01:02:31,109 --> 01:02:29,119
sensors in space they're flying really

1701
01:02:33,829 --> 01:02:31,119
fast and when they go through the upper

1702
01:02:35,829 --> 01:02:33,839
atmosphere they're gonna cause

1703
01:02:38,069 --> 01:02:35,839
i'm not a physicist but i'll say it's a

1704
01:02:40,390 --> 01:02:38,079
plasma feel or some kind of field

1705
01:02:41,910 --> 01:02:40,400
which envelops them into

1706
01:02:44,069 --> 01:02:41,920
that type of

1707
01:02:46,150 --> 01:02:44,079
manifestation

1708
01:02:48,470 --> 01:02:46,160
what we saw was slow

1709
01:02:51,910 --> 01:02:48,480
tic tac was slow i mean

1710
01:02:53,990 --> 01:02:51,920
the f a-18 as fast as his flies

1711
01:02:56,950 --> 01:02:54,000
those tic-tacs can go fly probably a lot

1712
01:02:59,270 --> 01:02:56,960
faster um because there's been evidence

1713
01:03:01,430 --> 01:02:59,280
that they can like climb to

1714
01:03:03,750 --> 01:03:01,440
one thing i heard was like 80 000 feet

1715
01:03:05,270 --> 01:03:03,760
in like a second or something like that

1716
01:03:07,430 --> 01:03:05,280
so they can go fast but they were they

1717
01:03:10,390 --> 01:03:07,440
were almost like putting on a show

1718
01:03:13,349 --> 01:03:10,400
slowing it down so that we can see them

1719
01:03:14,950 --> 01:03:13,359
um and lou says that there's a 23-minute

1720
01:03:17,430 --> 01:03:14,960
video

1721
01:03:19,910 --> 01:03:17,440
where um

1722
01:03:22,950 --> 01:03:19,920
it was great detail

1723
01:03:24,870 --> 01:03:22,960
and that the dod is sitting on it

1724
01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:24,880
and that's like they're posing for

1725
01:03:30,069 --> 01:03:27,839
pictures uh the uap task force report

1726
01:03:31,510 --> 01:03:30,079
says that they had an interest in our

1727
01:03:35,910 --> 01:03:31,520
sensor systems

1728
01:03:38,549 --> 01:03:35,920
intelligence sensors and imagery

1729
01:03:39,829 --> 01:03:38,559
intelligence sensors and mazen ir

1730
01:03:41,670 --> 01:03:39,839
sensors

1731
01:03:43,349 --> 01:03:41,680
and if they have an interest in them

1732
01:03:45,510 --> 01:03:43,359
that means that

1733
01:03:47,589 --> 01:03:45,520
they slow down enough for us to like

1734
01:03:49,430 --> 01:03:47,599
sense them and take pictures

1735
01:03:50,710 --> 01:03:49,440
that's probably you previously said that

1736
01:03:52,390 --> 01:03:50,720
they're going really fast so you say

1737
01:03:53,670 --> 01:03:52,400
that they would like go slow and then

1738
01:03:56,470 --> 01:03:53,680
zoom off

1739
01:03:58,150 --> 01:03:56,480
yeah and when we saw them close to the

1740
01:04:00,470 --> 01:03:58,160
surface of the water where when the navy

1741
01:04:02,630 --> 01:04:00,480
saw them they're flying a lot slower

1742
01:04:04,870 --> 01:04:02,640
than they can go it's almost like

1743
01:04:06,950 --> 01:04:04,880
okay yeah we know the f-18 go flat

1744
01:04:09,270 --> 01:04:06,960
flight this fast and we'll just

1745
01:04:11,029 --> 01:04:09,280
keep pace with you and just follow us

1746
01:04:13,029 --> 01:04:11,039
it's almost like you know that's

1747
01:04:15,510 --> 01:04:13,039
i call it a demonstration

1748
01:04:18,069 --> 01:04:15,520
yeah um more than anything it's an

1749
01:04:20,470 --> 01:04:18,079
airshow but then there are orbs that um

1750
01:04:23,029 --> 01:04:20,480
that people see that are mysterious you

1751
01:04:24,950 --> 01:04:23,039
know that they see over their homes or

1752
01:04:27,510 --> 01:04:24,960
in the sky near you know where they're

1753
01:04:29,190 --> 01:04:27,520
at driving in the car they may see them

1754
01:04:31,829 --> 01:04:29,200
and they're zipping across or sometimes

1755
01:04:33,109 --> 01:04:31,839
they stop they make maneuvers

1756
01:04:35,029 --> 01:04:33,119
um

1757
01:04:36,789 --> 01:04:35,039
well the secretary secretary or former

1758
01:04:38,549 --> 01:04:36,799
secretary of the navy said echoed

1759
01:04:40,470 --> 01:04:38,559
something very similar where you know

1760
01:04:41,910 --> 01:04:40,480
we've got all of these

1761
01:04:44,870 --> 01:04:41,920
real world legitimate threats north

1762
01:04:47,029 --> 01:04:44,880
korea south korea uh you know um not

1763
01:04:48,150 --> 01:04:47,039
south korea or or not south korea excuse

1764
01:04:50,549 --> 01:04:48,160
me but

1765
01:04:52,390 --> 01:04:50,559
these this idea of nuclear threat from

1766
01:04:55,270 --> 01:04:52,400
north korea you've got the chinese

1767
01:04:57,430 --> 01:04:55,280
you've got um all sorts of

1768
01:04:59,910 --> 01:04:57,440
stuff going on in africa and then you've

1769
01:05:01,910 --> 01:04:59,920
got this uap thing where

1770
01:05:04,549 --> 01:05:01,920
they they're out there we know they're

1771
01:05:05,510 --> 01:05:04,559
out there it's kind of like they know we

1772
01:05:06,950 --> 01:05:05,520
know

1773
01:05:10,950 --> 01:05:06,960
right because they're not they're not

1774
01:05:12,710 --> 01:05:10,960
doing anything and so therefore the the

1775
01:05:14,549 --> 01:05:12,720
the importance of them goes way down

1776
01:05:15,829 --> 01:05:14,559
because they don't seem to be a threat

1777
01:05:17,349 --> 01:05:15,839
they're not afraid

1778
01:05:18,630 --> 01:05:17,359
yeah they don't they don't act in a

1779
01:05:20,390 --> 01:05:18,640
threatening way

1780
01:05:23,510 --> 01:05:20,400
um what we perceive as a threat is

1781
01:05:25,109 --> 01:05:23,520
basically i think you know beneficial

1782
01:05:29,029 --> 01:05:25,119
um

1783
01:05:31,109 --> 01:05:29,039
if you review robert uh

1784
01:05:32,630 --> 01:05:31,119
saw his

1785
01:05:34,630 --> 01:05:32,640
revelations about what happened at

1786
01:05:37,029 --> 01:05:34,640
milestone air force base with the

1787
01:05:38,630 --> 01:05:37,039
minuteman twos you know they they did

1788
01:05:39,349 --> 01:05:38,640
humanity a favor

1789
01:05:42,870 --> 01:05:39,359
uh

1790
01:05:45,910 --> 01:05:42,880
enabled

1791
01:05:47,029 --> 01:05:45,920
the launch and us they disabled the

1792
01:05:49,190 --> 01:05:47,039
launch

1793
01:05:51,029 --> 01:05:49,200
and by the way the nukes were never at

1794
01:05:52,069 --> 01:05:51,039
jeopardy i mean the nukes were still

1795
01:05:53,910 --> 01:05:52,079
nukes

1796
01:05:55,029 --> 01:05:53,920
if you understand what how

1797
01:05:57,430 --> 01:05:55,039
um

1798
01:05:58,870 --> 01:05:57,440
nuclear weapons inside a missile how

1799
01:06:01,510 --> 01:05:58,880
they operate

1800
01:06:03,589 --> 01:06:01,520
and uh you you realize that

1801
01:06:05,430 --> 01:06:03,599
they didn't disable the nukes

1802
01:06:08,069 --> 01:06:05,440
yeah they disable the ability to launch

1803
01:06:10,069 --> 01:06:08,079
the missile right which basically you're

1804
01:06:12,870 --> 01:06:10,079
disabling the offensive capability in

1805
01:06:14,150 --> 01:06:12,880
our s on our uh

1806
01:06:15,829 --> 01:06:14,160
scheme of things it was the counter

1807
01:06:17,829 --> 01:06:15,839
strike capability that we had as a

1808
01:06:19,910 --> 01:06:17,839
policy we wouldn't fire first and then

1809
01:06:21,910 --> 01:06:19,920
unless the russians did and then we'll

1810
01:06:24,230 --> 01:06:21,920
fire second that's counter strike they

1811
01:06:25,910 --> 01:06:24,240
had a first strike so first strike you

1812
01:06:27,990 --> 01:06:25,920
want to like turn them on

1813
01:06:29,750 --> 01:06:28,000
and say how does that feel you know

1814
01:06:32,069 --> 01:06:29,760
does that make you uncomfortable to have

1815
01:06:33,829 --> 01:06:32,079
all your missiles turned on right and

1816
01:06:35,430 --> 01:06:33,839
then for us how does it feel not to

1817
01:06:36,710 --> 01:06:35,440
respond

1818
01:06:39,270 --> 01:06:36,720
to an attack

1819
01:06:40,870 --> 01:06:39,280
when you can't launch in response

1820
01:06:42,710 --> 01:06:40,880
and sure enough it's almost like they

1821
01:06:44,390 --> 01:06:42,720
played on their worst fears

1822
01:06:47,029 --> 01:06:44,400
sure enough you know like a few months

1823
01:06:49,670 --> 01:06:47,039
late later uh lbj

1824
01:06:51,589 --> 01:06:49,680
and uh his counterpart

1825
01:06:53,510 --> 01:06:51,599
alexi cosigan got together and that's

1826
01:06:55,990 --> 01:06:53,520
the first time that both sides talked

1827
01:06:57,510 --> 01:06:56,000
about in earnest reducing the amount of

1828
01:06:58,710 --> 01:06:57,520
nuclear weapons we have in our

1829
01:07:01,750 --> 01:06:58,720
inventories

1830
01:07:03,829 --> 01:07:01,760
and that's happened like months after

1831
01:07:05,510 --> 01:07:03,839
that incident

1832
01:07:07,750 --> 01:07:05,520
so i have to believe that that's that's

1833
01:07:09,270 --> 01:07:07,760
the message they wanted us to understand

1834
01:07:10,950 --> 01:07:09,280
john that makes me think back to

1835
01:07:12,470 --> 01:07:10,960
something i've heard you say on other

1836
01:07:14,309 --> 01:07:12,480
interviews where you talk about the

1837
01:07:15,910 --> 01:07:14,319
deliberate dissemination of some of this

1838
01:07:18,870 --> 01:07:15,920
information through things like

1839
01:07:21,270 --> 01:07:18,880
hollywood or science fiction

1840
01:07:22,549 --> 01:07:21,280
so given your belief that there are

1841
01:07:24,390 --> 01:07:22,559
individuals in the intelligence

1842
01:07:27,190 --> 01:07:24,400
community that have

1843
01:07:29,670 --> 01:07:27,200
a closer or a more broad understanding

1844
01:07:31,750 --> 01:07:29,680
of what the actual agenda is do you

1845
01:07:34,390 --> 01:07:31,760
think that that dissemination is to lead

1846
01:07:37,029 --> 01:07:34,400
to things like nuclear proliferation and

1847
01:07:40,829 --> 01:07:37,039
as well as um i mean or maybe something

1848
01:07:45,829 --> 01:07:43,349
um there's two levels of that one of

1849
01:07:48,870 --> 01:07:45,839
this pretty mundane uh the mundane one

1850
01:07:51,029 --> 01:07:48,880
is that we just cia definitely and the

1851
01:07:53,190 --> 01:07:51,039
defense department definitely want to

1852
01:07:54,470 --> 01:07:53,200
put their best

1853
01:07:56,390 --> 01:07:54,480
feet forward

1854
01:07:58,230 --> 01:07:56,400
in the public perception so a lot of it

1855
01:08:00,230 --> 01:07:58,240
is like uh you know

1856
01:08:01,430 --> 01:08:00,240
tell us you know portray us in a good

1857
01:08:05,109 --> 01:08:01,440
light

1858
01:08:07,430 --> 01:08:05,119
um but the other part is as you say uh

1859
01:08:10,309 --> 01:08:07,440
some dissemination through entertainment

1860
01:08:11,829 --> 01:08:10,319
means of this information so there ha

1861
01:08:13,589 --> 01:08:11,839
there has been

1862
01:08:15,430 --> 01:08:13,599
that going on

1863
01:08:18,390 --> 01:08:15,440
in fact i i point out to the men in

1864
01:08:21,829 --> 01:08:18,400
black the two movies um

1865
01:08:26,630 --> 01:08:24,309
will smith and

1866
01:08:28,630 --> 01:08:26,640
tommen lee jones tommy lee jones first

1867
01:08:30,789 --> 01:08:28,640
cousin as i stated before was chase

1868
01:08:33,269 --> 01:08:30,799
brandon the guy who wrote kryptos

1869
01:08:35,030 --> 01:08:33,279
conundrum the guy who said i saw the

1870
01:08:37,269 --> 01:08:35,040
roswell files

1871
01:08:38,630 --> 01:08:37,279
and so i mean

1872
01:08:40,870 --> 01:08:38,640
there's some connection there and he

1873
01:08:43,749 --> 01:08:40,880
wrote the book

1874
01:08:46,950 --> 01:08:43,759
um as a novel and so

1875
01:08:49,430 --> 01:08:46,960
he went on like coast to coast am and

1876
01:08:51,269 --> 01:08:49,440
promptly i haven't heard from him

1877
01:08:53,189 --> 01:08:51,279
so i asked around back at the agency

1878
01:08:54,789 --> 01:08:53,199
back folks back there if you guys ever

1879
01:08:56,470 --> 01:08:54,799
hear what happened to chase brandon they

1880
01:08:57,269 --> 01:08:56,480
can't find him

1881
01:09:02,630 --> 01:08:57,279
he's

1882
01:09:05,349 --> 01:09:02,640
wonderful book um that actually tied in

1883
01:09:05,829 --> 01:09:05,359
a lot of things i said in slide

1884
01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:05,839
um 54.

1885
01:09:09,510 --> 01:09:07,920
nev i read the book but i wasn't

1886
01:09:11,829 --> 01:09:09,520
influenced by that book because that's

1887
01:09:14,309 --> 01:09:11,839
what i thought in slice 50 kryptos

1888
01:09:17,189 --> 01:09:14,319
conundrum

1889
01:09:19,110 --> 01:09:17,199
and what he used was the sculpture uh in

1890
01:09:20,470 --> 01:09:19,120
between our original headquarters

1891
01:09:22,390 --> 01:09:20,480
building and our new headquarters

1892
01:09:24,789 --> 01:09:22,400
building it's in the courtyard

1893
01:09:26,709 --> 01:09:24,799
um it's it's encrypted and there's a

1894
01:09:29,030 --> 01:09:26,719
contest to see what it says and i don't

1895
01:09:32,309 --> 01:09:29,040
know if it's been broken yet

1896
01:09:35,269 --> 01:09:32,319
i think a physicist i think in my parent

1897
01:09:36,470 --> 01:09:35,279
office may have broken part of it

1898
01:09:38,709 --> 01:09:36,480
um but

1899
01:09:39,749 --> 01:09:38,719
he based it on that and he based it on

1900
01:09:42,229 --> 01:09:39,759
this guy

1901
01:09:44,390 --> 01:09:42,239
chalmers is his main character and he

1902
01:09:46,470 --> 01:09:44,400
traced his ancestry back

1903
01:09:49,189 --> 01:09:46,480
toward time and back to our atlantean

1904
01:09:51,349 --> 01:09:49,199
times all the way forward to cia now

1905
01:09:52,789 --> 01:09:51,359
this book was written was published in

1906
01:09:55,189 --> 01:09:52,799
2012

1907
01:09:57,510 --> 01:09:55,199
it was written after he retired he i

1908
01:10:00,550 --> 01:09:57,520
think he retired

1909
01:10:02,870 --> 01:10:00,560
maybe shortly after right before i did

1910
01:10:05,030 --> 01:10:02,880
uh in it he said something that most

1911
01:10:07,030 --> 01:10:05,040
people didn't know at the time

1912
01:10:08,709 --> 01:10:07,040
he said that there are

1913
01:10:15,350 --> 01:10:08,719
underground

1914
01:10:17,189 --> 01:10:15,360
that um

1915
01:10:18,310 --> 01:10:17,199
that fly out of the water and into the

1916
01:10:20,470 --> 01:10:18,320
water

1917
01:10:24,149 --> 01:10:20,480
now when he wrote his novel that wasn't

1918
01:10:25,990 --> 01:10:24,159
like really known that well that a lot

1919
01:10:28,709 --> 01:10:26,000
of these objects are

1920
01:10:31,350 --> 01:10:28,719
in the water and that's how we see them

1921
01:10:34,870 --> 01:10:31,360
so i know he's well informed in that

1922
01:10:36,550 --> 01:10:34,880
perspective if anything have him on

1923
01:10:37,990 --> 01:10:36,560
where i'm at right near sitting i mean

1924
01:10:39,510 --> 01:10:38,000
he'll be a much interesting more

1925
01:10:41,030 --> 01:10:39,520
interesting guest

1926
01:10:42,870 --> 01:10:41,040
because i think he's one of those people

1927
01:10:44,790 --> 01:10:42,880
that

1928
01:10:47,270 --> 01:10:44,800
was right in into the whole story

1929
01:10:49,590 --> 01:10:47,280
because he's seen the files

1930
01:10:51,750 --> 01:10:49,600
well that's gonna have to be the my next

1931
01:10:53,189 --> 01:10:51,760
homework assignment um let's get to a

1932
01:10:54,709 --> 01:10:53,199
couple of questions that we have from

1933
01:10:56,229 --> 01:10:54,719
the audience real quick uh one from

1934
01:10:57,830 --> 01:10:56,239
magical joshua logan's been sitting up

1935
01:10:59,910 --> 01:10:57,840
here for a little while uh lieutenant

1936
01:11:01,830 --> 01:10:59,920
graves said the uap first behaved

1937
01:11:03,430 --> 01:11:01,840
oblivious to fighter jets and eventually

1938
01:11:06,550 --> 01:11:03,440
there was a near miss

1939
01:11:09,510 --> 01:11:06,560
opinion from john ramirez

1940
01:11:15,510 --> 01:11:09,520
i wasn't there so i don't i can't say

1941
01:11:19,430 --> 01:11:17,270
i would have to believe that their

1942
01:11:20,950 --> 01:11:19,440
sensor systems on these craft as well

1943
01:11:22,950 --> 01:11:20,960
that they can avoid

1944
01:11:25,030 --> 01:11:22,960
being hit

1945
01:11:27,750 --> 01:11:25,040
unless they want it to be hit

1946
01:11:29,910 --> 01:11:27,760
because they want it to crash um there's

1947
01:11:31,910 --> 01:11:29,920
this theory i heard about the gifting

1948
01:11:33,430 --> 01:11:31,920
fields have you heard that theory

1949
01:11:35,990 --> 01:11:33,440
no there's a theory about the gifting

1950
01:11:37,030 --> 01:11:36,000
fields i forget which ufologists

1951
01:11:39,189 --> 01:11:37,040
first

1952
01:11:41,350 --> 01:11:39,199
discuss gifting fields

1953
01:11:43,430 --> 01:11:41,360
but sometimes they deliberately leave

1954
01:11:45,430 --> 01:11:43,440
things they crash so that we will have

1955
01:11:47,030 --> 01:11:45,440
things to study

1956
01:11:48,790 --> 01:11:47,040
and these areas are called gifting

1957
01:11:50,310 --> 01:11:48,800
fields and i need to research that

1958
01:11:52,149 --> 01:11:50,320
myself i think

1959
01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:52,159
jacques vallee might be the source of

1960
01:11:55,430 --> 01:11:53,520
that he might know more about the

1961
01:11:56,870 --> 01:11:55,440
gifting fields

1962
01:11:58,950 --> 01:11:56,880
um

1963
01:12:01,430 --> 01:11:58,960
but i have to believe that they would be

1964
01:12:02,950 --> 01:12:01,440
ways to avoid because in most instances

1965
01:12:05,110 --> 01:12:02,960
when you get close to them they shoot

1966
01:12:06,550 --> 01:12:05,120
off and go away you know that they're

1967
01:12:09,030 --> 01:12:06,560
hard to like

1968
01:12:11,189 --> 01:12:09,040
approach in that manner

1969
01:12:13,110 --> 01:12:11,199
yeah i really like the arrivals take on

1970
01:12:14,790 --> 01:12:13,120
on that which is uh pretty fascinating

1971
01:12:16,550 --> 01:12:14,800
if you haven't seen it uh yes that's a

1972
01:12:17,830 --> 01:12:16,560
great movie kind of give another

1973
01:12:19,669 --> 01:12:17,840
question though is uh do you think that

1974
01:12:21,350 --> 01:12:19,679
the us government really holds all the

1975
01:12:23,030 --> 01:12:21,360
cards here in disclosure or are there

1976
01:12:24,870 --> 01:12:23,040
other governments that might be able to

1977
01:12:27,110 --> 01:12:24,880
preempt us or the galileo project and

1978
01:12:29,990 --> 01:12:27,120
stuff like that oh my gosh i think uh

1979
01:12:31,510 --> 01:12:30,000
the work of icer for example

1980
01:12:33,510 --> 01:12:31,520
the international coalition

1981
01:12:34,870 --> 01:12:33,520
extraterrestrial research

1982
01:12:37,270 --> 01:12:34,880
is important because that is an

1983
01:12:39,350 --> 01:12:37,280
international organization of ufologists

1984
01:12:41,990 --> 01:12:39,360
and these are serious people

1985
01:12:43,990 --> 01:12:42,000
uh scientists and and and whatnot

1986
01:12:46,709 --> 01:12:44,000
studying this phenomenon

1987
01:12:49,189 --> 01:12:46,719
that's important also uh

1988
01:12:50,870 --> 01:12:49,199
for i know russia is sitting on a ton of

1989
01:12:53,270 --> 01:12:50,880
information i don't know too much about

1990
01:12:55,350 --> 01:12:53,280
china unless it's something we told them

1991
01:12:57,030 --> 01:12:55,360
nori talked about the fact that most

1992
01:12:58,950 --> 01:12:57,040
people don't know the united states and

1993
01:13:01,270 --> 01:12:58,960
china at the intelligence level we're

1994
01:13:03,910 --> 01:13:01,280
close cooperating friends

1995
01:13:05,669 --> 01:13:03,920
and then we built uh like sickened sites

1996
01:13:08,229 --> 01:13:05,679
all over china for them

1997
01:13:10,149 --> 01:13:08,239
um but there's some cooperation with

1998
01:13:11,669 --> 01:13:10,159
these governments and russia especially

1999
01:13:13,830 --> 01:13:11,679
i mean they're the guys that actually

2000
01:13:16,149 --> 01:13:13,840
spotted on the radar

2001
01:13:17,270 --> 01:13:16,159
their radar the equivalent of pave

2002
01:13:20,229 --> 01:13:17,280
paul's

2003
01:13:22,470 --> 01:13:20,239
in russia petra looking up north

2004
01:13:23,830 --> 01:13:22,480
uh toward the polls they spotted these

2005
01:13:26,070 --> 01:13:23,840
objects as well and they went to high

2006
01:13:27,990 --> 01:13:26,080
alert because they say it's not you know

2007
01:13:29,270 --> 01:13:28,000
we don't know what it is

2008
01:13:32,229 --> 01:13:29,280
i'm surprised

2009
01:13:33,590 --> 01:13:32,239
uh we're partnering with china and some

2010
01:13:36,149 --> 01:13:33,600
of this stuff because bill nelson

2011
01:13:38,229 --> 01:13:36,159
recently said in the uh iglesias forum

2012
01:13:40,229 --> 01:13:38,239
that russia we had previously worked

2013
01:13:42,870 --> 01:13:40,239
with but the relations with nasa and

2014
01:13:44,790 --> 01:13:42,880
china apparently aren't that with nasa

2015
01:13:46,390 --> 01:13:44,800
uh not with nasa but you know the ic

2016
01:13:49,590 --> 01:13:46,400
they are

2017
01:13:51,590 --> 01:13:49,600
cia in nsa had a very close relationship

2018
01:13:53,270 --> 01:13:51,600
with chinese intelligence

2019
01:13:54,950 --> 01:13:53,280
was this up until a certain point or

2020
01:13:56,470 --> 01:13:54,960
still

2021
01:13:59,270 --> 01:13:56,480
i don't know

2022
01:14:02,390 --> 01:13:59,280
uh when i retired in 2009 that

2023
01:14:05,110 --> 01:14:02,400
relationship was ongoing

2024
01:14:07,030 --> 01:14:05,120
and i i posted three

2025
01:14:08,550 --> 01:14:07,040
open source articles

2026
01:14:10,229 --> 01:14:08,560
one by the new york times one by the

2027
01:14:12,149 --> 01:14:10,239
washington post and one by united

2028
01:14:14,630 --> 01:14:12,159
presidential international

2029
01:14:16,790 --> 01:14:14,640
and also the book written by a former

2030
01:14:18,790 --> 01:14:16,800
director of central intelligence robert

2031
01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:18,800
gates where he mentioned the reason why

2032
01:14:23,110 --> 01:14:20,640
we built these is because we actually

2033
01:14:26,310 --> 01:14:23,120
had them in iran and we lost them

2034
01:14:27,030 --> 01:14:26,320
uh and then we had to approach um china

2035
01:14:29,189 --> 01:14:27,040
to

2036
01:14:30,149 --> 01:14:29,199
see if they'd be interested in hosting

2037
01:14:32,470 --> 01:14:30,159
us

2038
01:14:35,590 --> 01:14:32,480
and uh they were hemming and calling and

2039
01:14:37,110 --> 01:14:35,600
then we sent a uh young u.s senator

2040
01:14:39,189 --> 01:14:37,120
that paved the way

2041
01:14:41,189 --> 01:14:39,199
talked to deng xiaoping and convinced

2042
01:14:43,430 --> 01:14:41,199
xiao ping that this is good for both of

2043
01:14:45,189 --> 01:14:43,440
our countries that senator is now u.s

2044
01:14:47,030 --> 01:14:45,199
president right now

2045
01:14:49,430 --> 01:14:47,040
when he was senator uh senator biden

2046
01:14:50,630 --> 01:14:49,440
approached the chinese to help cia enter

2047
01:14:52,550 --> 01:14:50,640
the country

2048
01:14:56,390 --> 01:14:52,560
and uh we brought the first computers

2049
01:14:58,870 --> 01:14:56,400
there they've never seen an ibm pc we

2050
01:15:01,189 --> 01:14:58,880
brought the first ibm pc there

2051
01:15:03,270 --> 01:15:01,199
we brought what would be considered to

2052
01:15:05,270 --> 01:15:03,280
them a super computer they could not

2053
01:15:06,950 --> 01:15:05,280
have built themselves it was built by

2054
01:15:09,990 --> 01:15:06,960
digital equipment corporation was called

2055
01:15:12,390 --> 01:15:10,000
a pdp 11-70

2056
01:15:14,470 --> 01:15:12,400
so we brought that there we brought

2057
01:15:16,630 --> 01:15:14,480
everything that you would think would be

2058
01:15:19,270 --> 01:15:16,640
at min with hill in uk

2059
01:15:20,390 --> 01:15:19,280
and in alice springs uh pine gap in

2060
01:15:22,470 --> 01:15:20,400
australia

2061
01:15:23,669 --> 01:15:22,480
miniature versions of that that we

2062
01:15:25,910 --> 01:15:23,679
brought there

2063
01:15:26,950 --> 01:15:25,920
the radons everything i mean it looked

2064
01:15:30,310 --> 01:15:26,960
like

2065
01:15:32,870 --> 01:15:30,320
if you look at a picture of pine gap it

2066
01:15:35,270 --> 01:15:32,880
looked like that except much smaller

2067
01:15:37,590 --> 01:15:35,280
and we taught them everything i mean i

2068
01:15:38,470 --> 01:15:37,600
taught at their schools teaching pla

2069
01:15:40,630 --> 01:15:38,480
officers

2070
01:15:42,630 --> 01:15:40,640
how to analyze russian

2071
01:15:45,350 --> 01:15:42,640
radars

2072
01:15:48,390 --> 01:15:45,360
we gave them our software

2073
01:15:50,229 --> 01:15:48,400
i mean it's it's it's unbelievable what

2074
01:15:51,270 --> 01:15:50,239
how close we were

2075
01:15:52,630 --> 01:15:51,280
you know where

2076
01:15:54,310 --> 01:15:52,640
if you if you had to take a guess do you

2077
01:15:58,149 --> 01:15:54,320
think that relationship is still going

2078
01:16:01,189 --> 01:15:58,159
on i don't know after 2016 2017. yeah

2079
01:16:03,669 --> 01:16:01,199
after 2017 uh i don't know what happened

2080
01:16:06,070 --> 01:16:03,679
i think we we're trying to repair that

2081
01:16:09,430 --> 01:16:06,080
i hope so but they have a lot to offer

2082
01:16:12,709 --> 01:16:09,440
um and so we we compete economically

2083
01:16:14,550 --> 01:16:12,719
and um but militarily uh there's a rumor

2084
01:16:17,030 --> 01:16:14,560
that you know ah they stole everything

2085
01:16:19,510 --> 01:16:17,040
from us you'd be surprised how much the

2086
01:16:21,189 --> 01:16:19,520
chinese can do they're good at math they

2087
01:16:23,030 --> 01:16:21,199
know how to figure things out they need

2088
01:16:27,669 --> 01:16:23,040
the material science

2089
01:16:29,030 --> 01:16:27,679
build what they need but as far as

2090
01:16:31,030 --> 01:16:29,040
designing things they're really good at

2091
01:16:32,470 --> 01:16:31,040
designing things their weapons are

2092
01:16:34,390 --> 01:16:32,480
outstanding

2093
01:16:35,990 --> 01:16:34,400
they also have a ton of rare earth

2094
01:16:38,390 --> 01:16:36,000
elements that we need

2095
01:16:41,350 --> 01:16:40,470
yeah speaking of rare earth the tungsten

2096
01:16:42,870 --> 01:16:41,360
uh

2097
01:16:46,390 --> 01:16:42,880
the titanium

2098
01:16:50,229 --> 01:16:46,400
in the um used in the a12 which is the

2099
01:16:51,350 --> 01:16:50,239
ox cart the cia a12 the titanium came

2100
01:16:54,310 --> 01:16:51,360
from

2101
01:16:58,149 --> 01:16:56,390
wow you know i mean cooperation is crazy

2102
01:17:00,070 --> 01:16:58,159
i mean yeah well you have to cooperate

2103
01:17:02,390 --> 01:17:00,080
it's yeah i mean

2104
01:17:04,630 --> 01:17:02,400
i i always talk about the um

2105
01:17:06,149 --> 01:17:04,640
the border on afghanistan it's it's a

2106
01:17:07,990 --> 01:17:06,159
border that's always been trying to be

2107
01:17:11,350 --> 01:17:08,000
conquered but even

2108
01:17:13,830 --> 01:17:11,360
no matter what sort of um

2109
01:17:16,149 --> 01:17:13,840
quarrels going on above in the caves

2110
01:17:18,950 --> 01:17:16,159
below they're trading with everybody

2111
01:17:21,669 --> 01:17:18,960
like there's trade happening with with

2112
01:17:24,310 --> 01:17:21,679
with pakistan this trade happening with

2113
01:17:26,149 --> 01:17:24,320
all of the countries that surround uh uh

2114
01:17:29,189 --> 01:17:26,159
that section of the world or afghanistan

2115
01:17:31,750 --> 01:17:29,199
uh russia um so it

2116
01:17:33,990 --> 01:17:31,760
it's a necessity i mean we have to talk

2117
01:17:37,270 --> 01:17:34,000
to our our enemies and they have to talk

2118
01:17:37,990 --> 01:17:37,280
to us at some point but i'm i'm hoping

2119
01:17:39,590 --> 01:17:38,000
that

2120
01:17:41,189 --> 01:17:39,600
it gets back to a point where it was

2121
01:17:44,149 --> 01:17:41,199
when you retired where it's a little

2122
01:17:46,149 --> 01:17:44,159
more amicable from both sides because

2123
01:17:48,709 --> 01:17:46,159
the bill is better for everyone yeah the

2124
01:17:50,630 --> 01:17:48,719
ada and the ia pretty much states that

2125
01:17:52,229 --> 01:17:50,640
that there's to be cooperation

2126
01:17:54,390 --> 01:17:52,239
international cooperation

2127
01:17:55,750 --> 01:17:54,400
right in terms of the uh information

2128
01:17:58,550 --> 01:17:55,760
that we hold

2129
01:18:00,390 --> 01:17:58,560
uh we need to like at least from

2130
01:18:03,270 --> 01:18:00,400
government to government

2131
01:18:05,590 --> 01:18:03,280
uh we can declassify things or uh

2132
01:18:07,350 --> 01:18:05,600
present things at a lower classification

2133
01:18:09,430 --> 01:18:07,360
you heard of the five eyes now there's

2134
01:18:11,110 --> 01:18:09,440
talk about creating a nine eyes and a

2135
01:18:14,630 --> 01:18:11,120
fourteen eyes

2136
01:18:16,870 --> 01:18:14,640
wow uh and that's for just sharing

2137
01:18:18,070 --> 01:18:16,880
information and so i heard of need to

2138
01:18:20,870 --> 01:18:18,080
know

2139
01:18:22,709 --> 01:18:20,880
a dni in the past i believe was uh jim

2140
01:18:24,790 --> 01:18:22,719
clapper

2141
01:18:26,550 --> 01:18:24,800
he put out a memo for the entire

2142
01:18:29,270 --> 01:18:26,560
intelligence community saying that the

2143
01:18:32,790 --> 01:18:29,280
era of need to know is over

2144
01:18:35,350 --> 01:18:32,800
we are now in an era of need to share

2145
01:18:38,149 --> 01:18:35,360
you have to justify why you're holding

2146
01:18:41,430 --> 01:18:38,159
information in need to know channels

2147
01:18:44,070 --> 01:18:41,440
because doing that is what caused 911

2148
01:18:48,149 --> 01:18:44,080
intelligence not to be shared between

2149
01:18:50,310 --> 01:18:48,159
cia overseas and fbi domestically right

2150
01:18:52,149 --> 01:18:50,320
um and so there's we're now in the need

2151
01:18:54,790 --> 01:18:52,159
to share era

2152
01:18:57,110 --> 01:18:54,800
and so i'm hoping that would like you

2153
01:18:58,950 --> 01:18:57,120
say i hope that would open doors in

2154
01:19:01,510 --> 01:18:58,960
terms of cooperating with

2155
01:19:03,590 --> 01:19:01,520
uh our major partners and let's not

2156
01:19:04,790 --> 01:19:03,600
forget the latin americans

2157
01:19:06,390 --> 01:19:04,800
i mean there are a lot of sightings in

2158
01:19:08,950 --> 01:19:06,400
latin america there are a lot of

2159
01:19:11,110 --> 01:19:08,960
signings in africa in india in pakistan

2160
01:19:12,870 --> 01:19:11,120
they're in asia you know we can't ignore

2161
01:19:13,910 --> 01:19:12,880
the rest of the rest of the world

2162
01:19:16,470 --> 01:19:13,920
because

2163
01:19:19,350 --> 01:19:16,480
uaps are global it's not just you know

2164
01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:19,360
u.s and all the meta materials and crash

2165
01:19:23,990 --> 01:19:21,600
retrieval

2166
01:19:27,430 --> 01:19:24,000
craft whatever they are we assume

2167
01:19:29,750 --> 01:19:27,440
they're from the us don't assume that

2168
01:19:31,350 --> 01:19:29,760
okay some of that is delivered to us or

2169
01:19:32,870 --> 01:19:31,360
some of that is acquired by us from

2170
01:19:35,270 --> 01:19:32,880
overseas sources

2171
01:19:37,669 --> 01:19:35,280
well my dad says hello to everybody ufo

2172
01:19:40,070 --> 01:19:37,679
dad was in the house so hello dad um

2173
01:19:42,790 --> 01:19:40,080
kristen thompson had a question has john

2174
01:19:45,590 --> 01:19:42,800
ever heard about dr jacobs nuke missile

2175
01:19:47,830 --> 01:19:46,390
no

2176
01:19:50,390 --> 01:19:47,840
um

2177
01:19:52,950 --> 01:19:50,400
i've heard of uh

2178
01:19:54,470 --> 01:19:52,960
robert salas's cases and

2179
01:19:56,790 --> 01:19:54,480
of course robert hastings you know he

2180
01:20:00,790 --> 01:19:56,800
wrote a wonderful book

2181
01:20:02,149 --> 01:20:00,800
about uh about ufos and nukes

2182
01:20:05,110 --> 01:20:02,159
so i've heard of those i don't know if

2183
01:20:06,470 --> 01:20:05,120
dr j i may have in passing

2184
01:20:07,270 --> 01:20:06,480
so remind me

2185
01:20:08,070 --> 01:20:07,280
yeah

2186
01:20:11,590 --> 01:20:08,080
um

2187
01:20:13,669 --> 01:20:11,600
mr calhoun asked the question has john

2188
01:20:16,470 --> 01:20:13,679
uh has john any thoughts on cattle

2189
01:20:18,550 --> 01:20:16,480
mutilations particularly why so oddly

2190
01:20:20,229 --> 01:20:18,560
specific tissue samples are taken during

2191
01:20:21,750 --> 01:20:20,239
these events

2192
01:20:23,510 --> 01:20:21,760
i do not know

2193
01:20:26,870 --> 01:20:23,520
okay that's that's been a question for

2194
01:20:29,750 --> 01:20:26,880
me that i i've been asking myself

2195
01:20:32,790 --> 01:20:29,760
uh no i don't know

2196
01:20:34,629 --> 01:20:32,800
that is a weird aspect to it it it's

2197
01:20:36,310 --> 01:20:34,639
they just want states i don't blame

2198
01:20:38,229 --> 01:20:36,320
rodney yeah yeah

2199
01:20:39,030 --> 01:20:38,239
it's just they take weird spots with the

2200
01:20:41,110 --> 01:20:39,040
cows

2201
01:20:43,910 --> 01:20:41,120
i found this big tartare

2202
01:20:46,390 --> 01:20:43,920
i found it obscure

2203
01:20:49,270 --> 01:20:46,400
i found a very obscure reference

2204
01:20:52,550 --> 01:20:50,629
um

2205
01:20:53,990 --> 01:20:52,560
bovine

2206
01:20:56,550 --> 01:20:54,000
embryos

2207
01:20:59,110 --> 01:20:56,560
or placenta placenta

2208
01:21:02,229 --> 01:20:59,120
and some experimentation

2209
01:21:03,990 --> 01:21:02,239
with human embryos

2210
01:21:05,030 --> 01:21:04,000
and i gotta go find out because i i saw

2211
01:21:06,149 --> 01:21:05,040
that and i couldn't understand it

2212
01:21:09,350 --> 01:21:06,159
because it was all written in medical

2213
01:21:11,510 --> 01:21:09,360
language right bovine

2214
01:21:12,950 --> 01:21:11,520
plus human right that's the closest

2215
01:21:15,350 --> 01:21:12,960
thing i got to

2216
01:21:18,070 --> 01:21:15,360
try to understand it

2217
01:21:19,350 --> 01:21:18,080
do you have any um and obviously you're

2218
01:21:22,709 --> 01:21:19,360
familiar with the galileo project you're

2219
01:21:25,189 --> 01:21:22,719
familiar with abby loeb um do you have

2220
01:21:26,830 --> 01:21:25,199
if you were able to give any advice uh

2221
01:21:28,870 --> 01:21:26,840
when it comes to looking for these

2222
01:21:33,110 --> 01:21:28,880
objects what sort of advice would you

2223
01:21:36,790 --> 01:21:34,629
i don't know

2224
01:21:38,629 --> 01:21:36,800
i'm talking to a no abby love is an

2225
01:21:40,709 --> 01:21:38,639
astronomer i'm just a like a diamond

2226
01:21:43,110 --> 01:21:40,719
dozen political scientist with a ba

2227
01:21:45,830 --> 01:21:43,120
degree right i mean i i don't know i

2228
01:21:48,149 --> 01:21:47,270
i would think that

2229
01:21:49,830 --> 01:21:48,159
um

2230
01:21:52,310 --> 01:21:49,840
i'm hoping the james webb telescope

2231
01:21:55,030 --> 01:21:52,320
which is now delayed until 22 december

2232
01:21:56,950 --> 01:21:55,040
will go up and provide us with a

2233
01:21:58,790 --> 01:21:56,960
source of data

2234
01:22:02,229 --> 01:21:58,800
because that telescope is designed to

2235
01:22:04,070 --> 01:22:02,239
see far more of our universe in life

2236
01:22:05,030 --> 01:22:04,080
spectra we've never been able to see

2237
01:22:06,870 --> 01:22:05,040
before

2238
01:22:08,830 --> 01:22:06,880
and hopefully they will be able to see

2239
01:22:11,669 --> 01:22:08,840
things that they need to

2240
01:22:14,149 --> 01:22:11,679
track whether there are other objects

2241
01:22:16,870 --> 01:22:14,159
like uh

2242
01:22:18,390 --> 01:22:16,880
coming in and out that we can't detect

2243
01:22:19,750 --> 01:22:18,400
um something like the james webb

2244
01:22:22,950 --> 01:22:19,760
telescope might

2245
01:22:24,790 --> 01:22:22,960
do what the ir sensors in our nro

2246
01:22:27,830 --> 01:22:24,800
satellites did for us

2247
01:22:29,750 --> 01:22:27,840
all of a sudden we see oh my gosh

2248
01:22:31,030 --> 01:22:29,760
the solar system's full of

2249
01:22:32,390 --> 01:22:31,040
you know they're all coming in and out

2250
01:22:34,149 --> 01:22:32,400
all the time i mean i don't know if

2251
01:22:36,229 --> 01:22:34,159
that's gonna happen

2252
01:22:38,629 --> 01:22:36,239
um i'm hopeful that that might be a

2253
01:22:40,070 --> 01:22:38,639
source that project galileo would be

2254
01:22:41,430 --> 01:22:40,080
able to look at

2255
01:22:43,990 --> 01:22:41,440
but the fact that

2256
01:22:46,229 --> 01:22:44,000
somebody like that uh project something

2257
01:22:47,590 --> 01:22:46,239
like that project is included in that

2258
01:22:50,950 --> 01:22:47,600
legislation

2259
01:22:52,950 --> 01:22:50,960
that that provides me an scu as well

2260
01:22:55,669 --> 01:22:52,960
right uh that provides me with a lot of

2261
01:22:57,510 --> 01:22:55,679
hope that now it's not just because

2262
01:22:58,390 --> 01:22:57,520
congress made this is going to make this

2263
01:22:59,990 --> 01:22:58,400
a law

2264
01:23:01,590 --> 01:23:00,000
the military can't say the defense

2265
01:23:03,189 --> 01:23:01,600
department can't say no no it's all

2266
01:23:04,229 --> 01:23:03,199
going to be squirreled in the dod

2267
01:23:07,990 --> 01:23:04,239
channels

2268
01:23:10,470 --> 01:23:08,000
now they're forced to participate

2269
01:23:11,990 --> 01:23:10,480
with science i want scientists to

2270
01:23:13,990 --> 01:23:12,000
participate

2271
01:23:16,629 --> 01:23:14,000
not just government not just government

2272
01:23:19,270 --> 01:23:16,639
scientists but all scientists because i

2273
01:23:21,910 --> 01:23:19,280
was hoping you know i mean imagine when

2274
01:23:24,629 --> 01:23:21,920
braswell the rancher instead of going to

2275
01:23:27,030 --> 01:23:24,639
the base he went to

2276
01:23:29,270 --> 01:23:27,040
new mexico state university or

2277
01:23:30,790 --> 01:23:29,280
uh university of mexico and got them to

2278
01:23:33,110 --> 01:23:30,800
look at it and we wouldn't have the

2279
01:23:34,870 --> 01:23:33,120
secrecy right now

2280
01:23:36,950 --> 01:23:34,880
um and i'm hoping that this will open up

2281
01:23:38,790 --> 01:23:36,960
doors so that we can have an honest

2282
01:23:40,870 --> 01:23:38,800
dialogue about what exactly what we're

2283
01:23:43,270 --> 01:23:40,880
what we're uh dealing with

2284
01:23:47,030 --> 01:23:45,430
sorry sorry i'm sorry no i'm hoping that

2285
01:23:48,390 --> 01:23:47,040
the government would then be uh

2286
01:23:51,830 --> 01:23:48,400
encouraged

2287
01:23:54,310 --> 01:23:51,840
uh because then now they have the um

2288
01:23:56,310 --> 01:23:54,320
congress and its oversight function be

2289
01:23:58,070 --> 01:23:56,320
encouraged to share information about

2290
01:23:59,189 --> 01:23:58,080
what they're holding back including what

2291
01:24:01,270 --> 01:23:59,199
we're flying

2292
01:24:03,110 --> 01:24:01,280
that needs to be shared too

2293
01:24:05,350 --> 01:24:03,120
well there's also i mean something i

2294
01:24:07,350 --> 01:24:05,360
can't remember who coined this but um

2295
01:24:10,470 --> 01:24:07,360
somebody mentioned you know the sky is

2296
01:24:11,430 --> 01:24:10,480
not classified uh and i think that happy

2297
01:24:13,350 --> 01:24:11,440
lobe

2298
01:24:14,550 --> 01:24:13,360
yeah what's that abby yeah yeah so you

2299
01:24:16,149 --> 01:24:14,560
know like

2300
01:24:18,149 --> 01:24:16,159
i think this is coming with or without

2301
01:24:19,750 --> 01:24:18,159
the government it would just be nice if

2302
01:24:20,870 --> 01:24:19,760
the government would get on board and

2303
01:24:23,270 --> 01:24:20,880
sort of

2304
01:24:24,709 --> 01:24:23,280
speed this up a little bit because we

2305
01:24:27,110 --> 01:24:24,719
all know that they have the sensors they

2306
01:24:30,390 --> 01:24:27,120
have the data that's been collected it

2307
01:24:32,070 --> 01:24:30,400
sounds like for since at least you've

2308
01:24:33,750 --> 01:24:32,080
been around um

2309
01:24:35,270 --> 01:24:33,760
you know as far as these satellite

2310
01:24:36,629 --> 01:24:35,280
systems are concerned but somebody asked

2311
01:24:38,550 --> 01:24:36,639
a question you kind of answered this

2312
01:24:40,790 --> 01:24:38,560
earlier uh but said what kind of

2313
01:24:42,390 --> 01:24:40,800
evidence did you see hybrid briefings to

2314
01:24:45,750 --> 01:24:42,400
make you believe

2315
01:24:49,910 --> 01:24:47,510
i mean they didn't show me like pictures

2316
01:24:52,390 --> 01:24:49,920
of hybrids right right they just said

2317
01:24:53,830 --> 01:24:52,400
humans are hybrids and i came in already

2318
01:24:56,470 --> 01:24:53,840
believing that

2319
01:24:57,430 --> 01:24:56,480
right as you know i i was an experiencer

2320
01:25:00,470 --> 01:24:57,440
and that

2321
01:25:03,189 --> 01:25:00,480
kind of was like part of my download

2322
01:25:05,030 --> 01:25:03,199
that we are hybrids and it was my way of

2323
01:25:06,790 --> 01:25:05,040
thinking okay there's a missing gap that

2324
01:25:08,070 --> 01:25:06,800
anthropologists say that there's a

2325
01:25:09,590 --> 01:25:08,080
missing gap

2326
01:25:11,510 --> 01:25:09,600
why aren't we like

2327
01:25:13,110 --> 01:25:11,520
the primates i see

2328
01:25:15,750 --> 01:25:13,120
you know in the wild

2329
01:25:17,510 --> 01:25:15,760
why are we who we are

2330
01:25:18,709 --> 01:25:17,520
um and so

2331
01:25:20,550 --> 01:25:18,719
even if you're

2332
01:25:22,390 --> 01:25:20,560
religious you know

2333
01:25:24,070 --> 01:25:22,400
whatever religion you are there's always

2334
01:25:26,790 --> 01:25:24,080
a creation story

2335
01:25:28,950 --> 01:25:26,800
there's one in genesis if you if you are

2336
01:25:30,470 --> 01:25:28,960
a fundamentalist right-wing christian

2337
01:25:33,030 --> 01:25:30,480
and i don't mean to disparage anybody's

2338
01:25:34,550 --> 01:25:33,040
religion but using that as a category

2339
01:25:36,870 --> 01:25:34,560
and maybe it was wrong for me to say

2340
01:25:38,870 --> 01:25:36,880
right-wing but fundamentalist christian

2341
01:25:41,189 --> 01:25:38,880
let's say you're that and you believe in

2342
01:25:42,790 --> 01:25:41,199
the bible as a literal word of god

2343
01:25:44,950 --> 01:25:42,800
everything like the universe was made in

2344
01:25:46,870 --> 01:25:44,960
six days and something got rested

2345
01:25:48,070 --> 01:25:46,880
um you would look in there and say some

2346
01:25:49,910 --> 01:25:48,080
divine

2347
01:25:51,669 --> 01:25:49,920
being

2348
01:25:54,390 --> 01:25:51,679
made us in

2349
01:25:55,590 --> 01:25:54,400
their plural image let us make man in

2350
01:25:57,030 --> 01:25:55,600
their image

2351
01:25:59,110 --> 01:25:57,040
that right there

2352
01:26:01,110 --> 01:25:59,120
that's hybridization there's also a

2353
01:26:03,510 --> 01:26:01,120
serpent in eden so i guess there's your

2354
01:26:06,070 --> 01:26:03,520
rep and exactly exactly and so i'm

2355
01:26:07,270 --> 01:26:06,080
saying like you know if you go back to

2356
01:26:09,189 --> 01:26:07,280
um

2357
01:26:10,790 --> 01:26:09,199
chase brandon's novel

2358
01:26:13,590 --> 01:26:10,800
and you go back to what i've always

2359
01:26:16,229 --> 01:26:13,600
believed that we're worshiping the wrong

2360
01:26:19,910 --> 01:26:16,239
side we're worshiping the side that

2361
01:26:22,870 --> 01:26:19,920
wanted to like slow our development down

2362
01:26:26,390 --> 01:26:22,880
to suppress us whereas the side of

2363
01:26:29,750 --> 01:26:26,400
enlightenment lucifer enlightenment

2364
01:26:32,310 --> 01:26:29,760
uh that side wants to elevate us

2365
01:26:34,870 --> 01:26:32,320
to know that we are also divine like our

2366
01:26:36,629 --> 01:26:34,880
creators and for that they got tossed

2367
01:26:38,070 --> 01:26:36,639
out

2368
01:26:39,830 --> 01:26:38,080
i just like to throw in you know from

2369
01:26:41,669 --> 01:26:39,840
the dna record the academics would

2370
01:26:44,229 --> 01:26:41,679
deposit that the reason that we're

2371
01:26:46,790 --> 01:26:44,239
unique in our ecosystem is because we

2372
01:26:48,470 --> 01:26:46,800
killed all of our you know the other

2373
01:26:49,990 --> 01:26:48,480
neanderthals and the other intelligent

2374
01:26:52,229 --> 01:26:50,000
humanoids

2375
01:26:53,910 --> 01:26:52,239
so that's you know one possibility well

2376
01:26:56,149 --> 01:26:53,920
they just didn't survive i mean we just

2377
01:26:58,709 --> 01:26:56,159
had the makeup yeah

2378
01:26:59,669 --> 01:26:58,719
we were more robust than surviving

2379
01:27:01,669 --> 01:26:59,679
whereas

2380
01:27:05,270 --> 01:27:01,679
if you look at my blood i'm asian you'll

2381
01:27:07,270 --> 01:27:05,280
see denisovan dna if you're european you

2382
01:27:10,310 --> 01:27:07,280
might have neanderthal dna there are

2383
01:27:13,270 --> 01:27:10,320
other types of categories of dna

2384
01:27:15,110 --> 01:27:13,280
um but

2385
01:27:15,910 --> 01:27:15,120
um yeah i mean

2386
01:27:21,510 --> 01:27:15,920
that

2387
01:27:25,350 --> 01:27:21,520
but now if the cia will let me say those

2388
01:27:27,430 --> 01:27:25,360
names there are two people that

2389
01:27:31,030 --> 01:27:27,440
somebody like leslie keane

2390
01:27:32,550 --> 01:27:31,040
can knock on their door and say hey

2391
01:27:33,669 --> 01:27:32,560
i heard this

2392
01:27:37,030 --> 01:27:33,679
you know

2393
01:27:38,310 --> 01:27:37,040
can you say

2394
01:27:40,470 --> 01:27:38,320
are you still in contact with these

2395
01:27:42,709 --> 01:27:40,480
folks and if so do you think

2396
01:27:44,870 --> 01:27:42,719
uh how badly do they want to talk about

2397
01:27:46,709 --> 01:27:44,880
this like

2398
01:27:48,550 --> 01:27:46,719
do

2399
01:27:49,430 --> 01:27:48,560
full disclosure is this

2400
01:27:52,550 --> 01:27:49,440
uh

2401
01:27:55,189 --> 01:27:52,560
when i did my presentation

2402
01:27:56,790 --> 01:27:55,199
and i sent it off to cia

2403
01:28:00,310 --> 01:27:56,800
i also had a great interest in

2404
01:28:02,470 --> 01:28:00,320
contacting jim semivan aunt lou elizondo

2405
01:28:04,229 --> 01:28:02,480
those two in particular

2406
01:28:06,149 --> 01:28:04,239
and i have contacted them as a

2407
01:28:07,910 --> 01:28:06,159
professional courtesy i know they're

2408
01:28:10,070 --> 01:28:07,920
doing important work

2409
01:28:12,709 --> 01:28:10,080
um and i want to make sure that anything

2410
01:28:15,750 --> 01:28:12,719
i say or do does not impede their work

2411
01:28:18,390 --> 01:28:15,760
right and i offered them saying hey if

2412
01:28:20,629 --> 01:28:18,400
you want to acknowledge that i know you

2413
01:28:22,229 --> 01:28:20,639
in the context i know you go ahead but

2414
01:28:24,390 --> 01:28:22,239
that doesn't mean that you endorse my

2415
01:28:26,310 --> 01:28:24,400
work my work is my own

2416
01:28:27,750 --> 01:28:26,320
and they're fine with that so

2417
01:28:29,990 --> 01:28:27,760
going back to

2418
01:28:33,110 --> 01:28:30,000
rather trying to fight who i was if

2419
01:28:34,950 --> 01:28:33,120
someone bothered to contact jim or lou

2420
01:28:37,669 --> 01:28:34,960
they would have said yeah we know him

2421
01:28:38,550 --> 01:28:37,679
yeah and uh kick green as well kid

2422
01:28:40,870 --> 01:28:38,560
yeah

2423
01:28:42,390 --> 01:28:40,880
i know who i am chester hunter with a 20

2424
01:28:43,750 --> 01:28:42,400
super chat by the way guys thank you so

2425
01:28:45,910 --> 01:28:43,760
much for all these super chats truly

2426
01:28:48,149 --> 01:28:45,920
appreciate it uh makes the the show

2427
01:28:49,750 --> 01:28:48,159
exists so so thank you uh john were

2428
01:28:53,030 --> 01:28:49,760
there any folks who invited you and

2429
01:28:55,110 --> 01:28:53,040
aware of any of your personal anomalous

2430
01:28:56,390 --> 01:28:55,120
experiences

2431
01:28:57,590 --> 01:28:56,400
invited me to

2432
01:28:59,350 --> 01:28:57,600
um

2433
01:29:01,990 --> 01:28:59,360
that meeting

2434
01:29:05,590 --> 01:29:02,000
um i he doesn't he's not specific or any

2435
01:29:08,390 --> 01:29:05,600
of the folks you invited who invited you

2436
01:29:10,950 --> 01:29:08,400
to talk about the meeting yeah um

2437
01:29:12,790 --> 01:29:10,960
it was well known that i was into

2438
01:29:15,270 --> 01:29:12,800
uh ufology

2439
01:29:17,030 --> 01:29:15,280
because when that occurred and i think

2440
01:29:19,110 --> 01:29:17,040
it's

2441
01:29:20,790 --> 01:29:19,120
i'm bad with time compression

2442
01:29:22,550 --> 01:29:20,800
it's been so long ago i think it was

2443
01:29:24,310 --> 01:29:22,560
2001

2444
01:29:26,550 --> 01:29:24,320
before 9 11

2445
01:29:27,830 --> 01:29:26,560
because 9 11 didn't happen i don't think

2446
01:29:29,750 --> 01:29:27,840
it happened

2447
01:29:30,870 --> 01:29:29,760
we had academics from all over the

2448
01:29:33,270 --> 01:29:30,880
country

2449
01:29:35,350 --> 01:29:33,280
uh flying into washington

2450
01:29:37,350 --> 01:29:35,360
and immediately after 9 11 was a lot

2451
01:29:39,030 --> 01:29:37,360
tougher to fly anywhere so i think it

2452
01:29:43,110 --> 01:29:39,040
was before 9 11

2453
01:29:46,070 --> 01:29:43,120
it was 2001 um and by then they were

2454
01:29:48,629 --> 01:29:46,080
well aware of my interest

2455
01:29:50,870 --> 01:29:48,639
and those academics i wish here's the

2456
01:29:53,590 --> 01:29:50,880
tragedy it was unclassified agenda

2457
01:29:55,990 --> 01:29:53,600
unclassified uh sign in sheet i tossed

2458
01:29:57,110 --> 01:29:56,000
them into burnback when i retired

2459
01:29:58,629 --> 01:29:57,120
i just

2460
01:30:00,550 --> 01:29:58,639
yeah

2461
01:30:02,870 --> 01:30:00,560
because i think i'll never have to deal

2462
01:30:04,470 --> 01:30:02,880
with this anymore and so you know i knew

2463
01:30:05,590 --> 01:30:04,480
what i knew and i was happy with what i

2464
01:30:08,550 --> 01:30:05,600
knew

2465
01:30:11,110 --> 01:30:08,560
i wish i had kept

2466
01:30:13,510 --> 01:30:11,120
the agenda and the sign-in sheet

2467
01:30:15,590 --> 01:30:13,520
especially because it listed names

2468
01:30:18,310 --> 01:30:15,600
but i know three names

2469
01:30:20,390 --> 01:30:18,320
four names on that or cia officers by

2470
01:30:21,830 --> 01:30:20,400
the way pandolfi wasn't in that meeting

2471
01:30:24,470 --> 01:30:21,840
i could say that because i know who

2472
01:30:26,390 --> 01:30:24,480
gandalfi was and he wasn't there

2473
01:30:28,390 --> 01:30:26,400
okay there was no ron gaddafi at that

2474
01:30:29,910 --> 01:30:28,400
meeting um no no he worked for the same

2475
01:30:31,590 --> 01:30:29,920
office

2476
01:30:33,669 --> 01:30:31,600
me cutter with a five dollar donation

2477
01:30:35,910 --> 01:30:33,679
says rather save my soul great show you

2478
01:30:37,510 --> 01:30:35,920
guys gotta listen on the kjra app while

2479
01:30:39,110 --> 01:30:37,520
i was out and about today for the first

2480
01:30:41,270 --> 01:30:39,120
30 minutes of the show thank you so much

2481
01:30:43,669 --> 01:30:41,280
me cutter for the uh for the donation uh

2482
01:30:45,430 --> 01:30:43,679
john brusso with a question says hi john

2483
01:30:49,669 --> 01:30:45,440
uh thank you for your service is your

2484
01:30:51,590 --> 01:30:49,679
cia medal made from 999 silver if so is

2485
01:30:52,870 --> 01:30:51,600
it engraved along the side edge of the

2486
01:30:54,550 --> 01:30:52,880
metal

2487
01:30:56,629 --> 01:30:54,560
i don't know what

2488
01:30:58,629 --> 01:30:56,639
this is this guy i don't know

2489
01:31:01,350 --> 01:30:58,639
i don't know what it's made out of i

2490
01:31:03,590 --> 01:31:01,360
don't know i don't see

2491
01:31:05,750 --> 01:31:03,600
i don't see any engravings

2492
01:31:08,390 --> 01:31:05,760
around it

2493
01:31:10,709 --> 01:31:08,400
but again there it is

2494
01:31:12,950 --> 01:31:10,719
that's awesome um

2495
01:31:14,709 --> 01:31:12,960
and i don't see any engravings around it

2496
01:31:17,669 --> 01:31:14,719
i don't know what they look like now but

2497
01:31:19,910 --> 01:31:17,679
that's this is what they gave me in 2010

2498
01:31:21,590 --> 01:31:19,920
was service complete in 2009 so there it

2499
01:31:22,709 --> 01:31:21,600
is

2500
01:31:24,950 --> 01:31:22,719
by the way ed

2501
01:31:26,470 --> 01:31:24,960
yeah well that's the one thing that i

2502
01:31:28,070 --> 01:31:26,480
purchased my ears first when i first

2503
01:31:30,470 --> 01:31:28,080
heard you john is

2504
01:31:32,709 --> 01:31:30,480
is why you're doing this and

2505
01:31:34,550 --> 01:31:32,719
yeah and your motivations that was the

2506
01:31:36,950 --> 01:31:34,560
one thing i was like oh wow that's

2507
01:31:38,790 --> 01:31:36,960
actually quite refreshing uh i want you

2508
01:31:41,510 --> 01:31:38,800
to explain that real quick but but

2509
01:31:43,669 --> 01:31:41,520
before you do artisan tony says for 10

2510
01:31:44,950 --> 01:31:43,679
rather is a high level hybrid and trying

2511
01:31:47,590 --> 01:31:44,960
to bury it

2512
01:31:49,590 --> 01:31:47,600
i believe that i believe if there's

2513
01:31:52,470 --> 01:31:49,600
anyone on this panel that's a hybrid

2514
01:31:53,830 --> 01:31:52,480
it's rather me squinting uh but yeah if

2515
01:31:55,189 --> 01:31:53,840
you could go ahead and just tell the

2516
01:31:56,550 --> 01:31:55,199
people like you know because that's a

2517
01:31:57,350 --> 01:31:56,560
big question right

2518
01:31:59,910 --> 01:31:57,360
that

2519
01:32:01,030 --> 01:31:59,920
hearing pop-ups why now why not why now

2520
01:32:04,390 --> 01:32:01,040
is well

2521
01:32:06,629 --> 01:32:04,400
first of all um when i retired 2009 um

2522
01:32:08,149 --> 01:32:06,639
basically i retired and basically i was

2523
01:32:10,550 --> 01:32:08,159
just like working around the house

2524
01:32:12,310 --> 01:32:10,560
renovating my house i recently purchased

2525
01:32:13,189 --> 01:32:12,320
in my retirement and just doing yard

2526
01:32:15,430 --> 01:32:13,199
work

2527
01:32:17,510 --> 01:32:15,440
i mean i was done with it and i still

2528
01:32:19,750 --> 01:32:17,520
had it in interest i still

2529
01:32:22,470 --> 01:32:19,760
uh watch youtube videos and whatnot but

2530
01:32:24,830 --> 01:32:22,480
basically nothing really progressed

2531
01:32:27,430 --> 01:32:24,840
right from 2009 until

2532
01:32:28,629 --> 01:32:27,440
2017. and when tic tac was released when

2533
01:32:31,510 --> 01:32:28,639
we found out there was something called

2534
01:32:33,830 --> 01:32:31,520
all staff and some called at before that

2535
01:32:36,310 --> 01:32:33,840
me i was like everybody else i was like

2536
01:32:37,830 --> 01:32:36,320
listening to coast coast am and i i

2537
01:32:39,669 --> 01:32:37,840
don't think jimmy church was doing his

2538
01:32:41,990 --> 01:32:39,679
fate to black then i think he was like

2539
01:32:44,149 --> 01:32:42,000
guesthouse back in the there so all the

2540
01:32:45,990 --> 01:32:44,159
way back to art belt george nuri i was

2541
01:32:47,590 --> 01:32:46,000
basically interested in this and i was

2542
01:32:50,149 --> 01:32:47,600
just listening to what other people say

2543
01:32:52,310 --> 01:32:50,159
and i go you know that guy's an imposter

2544
01:32:54,629 --> 01:32:52,320
you know i can tell because the way he

2545
01:32:56,550 --> 01:32:54,639
talks and what he described

2546
01:32:58,629 --> 01:32:56,560
uh doesn't exist

2547
01:33:01,430 --> 01:32:58,639
and then but no never mind about that

2548
01:33:03,430 --> 01:33:01,440
you know um but in 2017

2549
01:33:05,510 --> 01:33:03,440
when people start like

2550
01:33:07,030 --> 01:33:05,520
that really elevated the discussion

2551
01:33:10,629 --> 01:33:07,040
and all of a sudden we learn about all

2552
01:33:14,149 --> 01:33:10,639
sap and in you know 2008 2010

2553
01:33:16,149 --> 01:33:14,159
um and um senator reid funding and all

2554
01:33:17,990 --> 01:33:16,159
that and everyone believed that

2555
01:33:19,830 --> 01:33:18,000
oh you know that's when the government

2556
01:33:22,070 --> 01:33:19,840
really you know but you guys know that

2557
01:33:24,629 --> 01:33:22,080
the government's always doing this right

2558
01:33:27,270 --> 01:33:24,639
and never like talked about it

2559
01:33:28,790 --> 01:33:27,280
but there was this like the fact that i

2560
01:33:31,110 --> 01:33:28,800
know that

2561
01:33:31,910 --> 01:33:31,120
when we saw the orbs

2562
01:33:34,310 --> 01:33:31,920
that

2563
01:33:37,669 --> 01:33:34,320
brought it out of the ufo era into the

2564
01:33:39,510 --> 01:33:37,679
uap era and we started to investigate

2565
01:33:41,830 --> 01:33:39,520
this earnestly like

2566
01:33:43,830 --> 01:33:41,840
i described in a previous interview

2567
01:33:46,070 --> 01:33:43,840
uh these were no longer your

2568
01:33:47,830 --> 01:33:46,080
grandfather's flying saucers

2569
01:33:49,270 --> 01:33:47,840
this was these were like different

2570
01:33:51,350 --> 01:33:49,280
phenomena

2571
01:33:54,149 --> 01:33:51,360
and what went on and skin walk a ranch

2572
01:33:56,550 --> 01:33:54,159
before then you know um

2573
01:33:58,390 --> 01:33:56,560
that high strangeness and all that and

2574
01:34:00,950 --> 01:33:58,400
they go well you know

2575
01:34:03,590 --> 01:34:00,960
this wasn't just about all saps stuff

2576
01:34:04,709 --> 01:34:03,600
happened before all set yeah

2577
01:34:07,030 --> 01:34:04,719
and so

2578
01:34:08,550 --> 01:34:07,040
that motivated me to how do i present

2579
01:34:10,470 --> 01:34:08,560
that story

2580
01:34:11,590 --> 01:34:10,480
and so that's what motivated me to talk

2581
01:34:13,750 --> 01:34:11,600
more about

2582
01:34:16,709 --> 01:34:13,760
um the first part of that briefing was

2583
01:34:18,870 --> 01:34:16,719
about suppose a uap event occurred today

2584
01:34:21,590 --> 01:34:18,880
what would happen what i describe is the

2585
01:34:23,669 --> 01:34:21,600
actual process of what happens in the

2586
01:34:25,510 --> 01:34:23,679
intelligence community

2587
01:34:27,270 --> 01:34:25,520
when you see something like new and

2588
01:34:29,270 --> 01:34:27,280
unusual it

2589
01:34:31,430 --> 01:34:29,280
doesn't necessarily have to be uaps but

2590
01:34:33,030 --> 01:34:31,440
basically that working group process

2591
01:34:35,030 --> 01:34:33,040
happens to the point that you write a

2592
01:34:37,189 --> 01:34:35,040
report and once the intelligence

2593
01:34:38,709 --> 01:34:37,199
committee writes its report that's

2594
01:34:40,229 --> 01:34:38,719
coordinated with the other

2595
01:34:42,229 --> 01:34:40,239
agencies

2596
01:34:44,830 --> 01:34:42,239
and it goes to the dni at that point

2597
01:34:49,030 --> 01:34:44,840
it's disseminated it can go to the white

2598
01:34:51,430 --> 01:34:49,040
house so at that point you know

2599
01:34:54,149 --> 01:34:51,440
now you're at like 2008

2600
01:34:56,870 --> 01:34:54,159
2007 2008 that's what started okay now

2601
01:34:58,310 --> 01:34:56,880
it's on the dod side title 50 civilians

2602
01:35:01,270 --> 01:34:58,320
are out of it

2603
01:35:03,669 --> 01:35:01,280
title 10 is dod

2604
01:35:05,270 --> 01:35:03,679
can we shoot it can it shoot us that's

2605
01:35:07,510 --> 01:35:05,280
dld right

2606
01:35:10,310 --> 01:35:07,520
and so when they took over

2607
01:35:11,990 --> 01:35:10,320
they had more of an aerospace

2608
01:35:13,270 --> 01:35:12,000
forget the

2609
01:35:15,510 --> 01:35:13,280
acronyms

2610
01:35:17,510 --> 01:35:15,520
forget the alphabet soup something

2611
01:35:19,189 --> 01:35:17,520
flying can hurt us that's what they're

2612
01:35:22,070 --> 01:35:19,199
concerned about regardless of what that

2613
01:35:23,750 --> 01:35:22,080
study was called that was the focus

2614
01:35:25,830 --> 01:35:23,760
something is flying

2615
01:35:27,750 --> 01:35:25,840
maybe it can hurt us maybe not what is

2616
01:35:29,430 --> 01:35:27,760
it if it can hurt us how do we shoot it

2617
01:35:31,270 --> 01:35:29,440
down how do we defeat it

2618
01:35:34,390 --> 01:35:31,280
what is this about in terms of a

2619
01:35:36,310 --> 01:35:34,400
national security threat to our forces

2620
01:35:39,750 --> 01:35:36,320
have we figured have we figured out

2621
01:35:42,390 --> 01:35:39,760
defense systems or defense capabilities

2622
01:35:44,149 --> 01:35:42,400
against them yeah i don't know

2623
01:35:46,550 --> 01:35:44,159
okay that's that's a good question for

2624
01:35:48,470 --> 01:35:46,560
lou and that's when he's gonna say nda

2625
01:35:50,790 --> 01:35:48,480
yeah exactly exactly i think i think

2626
01:35:52,070 --> 01:35:50,800
somebody's awesome i love this i give

2627
01:35:54,830 --> 01:35:52,080
you one thing

2628
01:35:58,149 --> 01:35:54,840
i know one thing um and i can say it

2629
01:36:00,790 --> 01:35:58,159
because um it's an old system

2630
01:36:03,590 --> 01:36:00,800
uh there is a

2631
01:36:05,430 --> 01:36:03,600
rush soviet and now russian era

2632
01:36:07,430 --> 01:36:05,440
uh aerospace defense system called the

2633
01:36:10,070 --> 01:36:07,440
s810

2634
01:36:11,750 --> 01:36:10,080
it's a missile a surface air missile but

2635
01:36:12,870 --> 01:36:11,760
it has aerospace capabilities you can go

2636
01:36:14,149 --> 01:36:12,880
way high

2637
01:36:18,709 --> 01:36:14,159
s810

2638
01:36:21,510 --> 01:36:18,719
um russia we uh they call it the s300

2639
01:36:23,990 --> 01:36:21,520
and there's a radar called the flap lid

2640
01:36:26,070 --> 01:36:24,000
flap lid because it looks looks like a

2641
01:36:28,310 --> 01:36:26,080
lid pointed back it's sort of like the

2642
01:36:30,390 --> 01:36:28,320
patriot radar in some ways

2643
01:36:31,990 --> 01:36:30,400
it's a planar phased array

2644
01:36:34,310 --> 01:36:32,000
called a flat lid and there were modes

2645
01:36:35,590 --> 01:36:34,320
of operation we saw in that that

2646
01:36:37,430 --> 01:36:35,600
contract

2647
01:36:39,669 --> 01:36:37,440
all kinds of aircraft

2648
01:36:41,910 --> 01:36:39,679
and with some ballistic missile

2649
01:36:44,070 --> 01:36:41,920
and tactical ballistic missile defense

2650
01:36:45,510 --> 01:36:44,080
capabilities well there's one mode in

2651
01:36:47,350 --> 01:36:45,520
there that all of a sudden they were

2652
01:36:49,270 --> 01:36:47,360
producing tracks

2653
01:36:51,990 --> 01:36:49,280
of something that was going really

2654
01:36:55,109 --> 01:36:52,000
really fast so what the hell is that

2655
01:36:57,109 --> 01:36:55,119
they're producing legitimate acquisition

2656
01:37:00,229 --> 01:36:57,119
and and uh

2657
01:37:03,270 --> 01:37:00,239
acquisition and tracking of some object

2658
01:37:05,270 --> 01:37:03,280
legitimate there's no so maybe it's a

2659
01:37:06,709 --> 01:37:05,280
legitimate test mode nothing can go that

2660
01:37:08,550 --> 01:37:06,719
fast we don't have anything that fast

2661
01:37:09,990 --> 01:37:08,560
neither do they what are they tracking

2662
01:37:11,109 --> 01:37:10,000
it's just a test move

2663
01:37:12,950 --> 01:37:11,119
right

2664
01:37:14,950 --> 01:37:12,960
after the soviet union fell and we

2665
01:37:16,470 --> 01:37:14,960
started talking to immigrants

2666
01:37:18,310 --> 01:37:16,480
you know like soviet immigrants or

2667
01:37:20,149 --> 01:37:18,320
russian immigrants who became u.s

2668
01:37:22,310 --> 01:37:20,159
citizens in this country they left

2669
01:37:23,830 --> 01:37:22,320
russia and we did identify that they

2670
01:37:26,310 --> 01:37:23,840
actually worked on that system or

2671
01:37:29,990 --> 01:37:26,320
operated that system they told us

2672
01:37:32,550 --> 01:37:30,000
we had a ufo mode in that system

2673
01:37:34,790 --> 01:37:32,560
and we looked at the missile that that

2674
01:37:36,709 --> 01:37:34,800
system was was attached to

2675
01:37:38,550 --> 01:37:36,719
and he said yep that

2676
01:37:40,870 --> 01:37:38,560
that that has some reach and those

2677
01:37:42,310 --> 01:37:40,880
missiles were nuclear tipped some of

2678
01:37:43,910 --> 01:37:42,320
those missiles were nuclear tipped so

2679
01:37:46,390 --> 01:37:43,920
and that's an older system you said

2680
01:37:49,109 --> 01:37:46,400
that's an old system right that's

2681
01:37:52,310 --> 01:37:49,119
ancient there's the s200 now the s500

2682
01:37:54,470 --> 01:37:52,320
and that thing had a ufo mode on it well

2683
01:37:56,310 --> 01:37:54,480
according to the information we received

2684
01:37:58,390 --> 01:37:56,320
that that was a ufo mode

2685
01:38:00,629 --> 01:37:58,400
so we actually got that system

2686
01:38:03,350 --> 01:38:00,639
we actually got that system

2687
01:38:04,470 --> 01:38:03,360
squirreled away uh an interesting place

2688
01:38:05,830 --> 01:38:04,480
in nevada

2689
01:38:09,109 --> 01:38:05,840
i'll say

2690
01:38:11,350 --> 01:38:09,119
and so um with my background in uh bliss

2691
01:38:14,229 --> 01:38:11,360
missile defense

2692
01:38:16,709 --> 01:38:14,239
i was with a partner uh a colleague of

2693
01:38:18,629 --> 01:38:16,719
mine she and i went stayed in beta

2694
01:38:21,430 --> 01:38:18,639
nevada

2695
01:38:24,470 --> 01:38:21,440
and uh we traveled to this site

2696
01:38:26,709 --> 01:38:24,480
which uh just like you'll see

2697
01:38:28,070 --> 01:38:26,719
described as going area 51 there wasn't

2698
01:38:31,910 --> 01:38:28,080
a mailbox

2699
01:38:32,790 --> 01:38:31,920
but the folks at the doe uh 232 energy

2700
01:38:35,030 --> 01:38:32,800
way

2701
01:38:37,430 --> 01:38:35,040
the oe they gave us the uh

2702
01:38:38,709 --> 01:38:37,440
the badging for to get to that facility

2703
01:38:40,229 --> 01:38:38,719
they told us what to look for in the

2704
01:38:41,590 --> 01:38:40,239
road so you see this on the road make

2705
01:38:43,189 --> 01:38:41,600
that right

2706
01:38:44,629 --> 01:38:43,199
right so we did

2707
01:38:45,430 --> 01:38:44,639
and we drove and drove and drove and

2708
01:38:48,070 --> 01:38:45,440
heard

2709
01:38:50,149 --> 01:38:48,080
a shack of camo dudes well these are the

2710
01:38:52,229 --> 01:38:50,159
camel dudes and i said wow wow that's

2711
01:38:53,750 --> 01:38:52,239
the real camel dudes i heard about them

2712
01:38:55,910 --> 01:38:53,760
and now you know they batches in and we

2713
01:38:56,950 --> 01:38:55,920
went there and so we tested the system

2714
01:38:58,629 --> 01:38:56,960
out and

2715
01:39:00,310 --> 01:38:58,639
one night they told us to get off the

2716
01:39:01,590 --> 01:39:00,320
mountain get off the mountain go home

2717
01:39:03,990 --> 01:39:01,600
get off the mountain

2718
01:39:06,550 --> 01:39:04,000
early because um the rumor was they're

2719
01:39:08,470 --> 01:39:06,560
testing a special payload

2720
01:39:09,590 --> 01:39:08,480
and so they didn't want cia we were told

2721
01:39:12,149 --> 01:39:09,600
we were not clear for what they're

2722
01:39:13,910 --> 01:39:12,159
testing so we went off the mountain went

2723
01:39:15,830 --> 01:39:13,920
down the next day we came up

2724
01:39:17,669 --> 01:39:15,840
everybody was quiet and they didn't want

2725
01:39:19,590 --> 01:39:17,679
to talk about

2726
01:39:21,750 --> 01:39:19,600
last night's test

2727
01:39:23,910 --> 01:39:21,760
and so they tested something we had

2728
01:39:25,510 --> 01:39:23,920
against that system which we knew had a

2729
01:39:26,390 --> 01:39:25,520
ufo mode

2730
01:39:29,030 --> 01:39:26,400
wow

2731
01:39:30,310 --> 01:39:29,040
that's all i know and so

2732
01:39:32,070 --> 01:39:30,320
john when you're saying that these are

2733
01:39:34,310 --> 01:39:32,080
nuclear tipped and they have a ufo mode

2734
01:39:36,950 --> 01:39:34,320
the implication would be that they would

2735
01:39:40,229 --> 01:39:36,960
be able to attempt to

2736
01:39:42,070 --> 01:39:40,239
nuke a potential uap is that right if it

2737
01:39:42,790 --> 01:39:42,080
stands still for it because i mean you

2738
01:39:44,149 --> 01:39:42,800
know

2739
01:39:49,189 --> 01:39:44,159
kinematic

2740
01:39:56,310 --> 01:39:52,310
some of these missiles can actually

2741
01:39:57,830 --> 01:39:56,320
have 200 g's pull 200 g's

2742
01:40:00,390 --> 01:39:57,840
so they're they're really good pretty

2743
01:40:01,910 --> 01:40:00,400
sure they're really good they're they

2744
01:40:03,750 --> 01:40:01,920
got good systems

2745
01:40:05,270 --> 01:40:03,760
um so

2746
01:40:07,030 --> 01:40:05,280
there you go i mean that's just one

2747
01:40:08,629 --> 01:40:07,040
little tidbit

2748
01:40:10,470 --> 01:40:08,639
uh that i'm putting out there and the

2749
01:40:12,950 --> 01:40:10,480
reason why because the fact that we had

2750
01:40:15,750 --> 01:40:12,960
this system was leaked to the open press

2751
01:40:16,709 --> 01:40:15,760
it was no secret

2752
01:40:18,229 --> 01:40:16,719
and

2753
01:40:21,270 --> 01:40:18,239
as they were driving it out of

2754
01:40:24,149 --> 01:40:21,280
huntsville alabama

2755
01:40:26,870 --> 01:40:24,159
huntsville uh has um is where uh the

2756
01:40:29,270 --> 01:40:26,880
missile space intelligence center is at

2757
01:40:31,590 --> 01:40:29,280
and they have systems there that if they

2758
01:40:33,430 --> 01:40:31,600
were energized and activated their

2759
01:40:36,310 --> 01:40:33,440
soviet and russian systems they could

2760
01:40:38,070 --> 01:40:36,320
defend uh half the united states because

2761
01:40:39,510 --> 01:40:38,080
those russian systems are that good they

2762
01:40:40,629 --> 01:40:39,520
can shoot down anything within half the

2763
01:40:42,070 --> 01:40:40,639
united states

2764
01:40:44,149 --> 01:40:42,080
because they're russian systems so

2765
01:40:46,229 --> 01:40:44,159
they're they're pretty good stuff

2766
01:40:49,830 --> 01:40:46,239
i'm curious um you mentioned earlier

2767
01:40:51,990 --> 01:40:49,840
that you had some experience as well uh

2768
01:40:53,750 --> 01:40:52,000
when you're referencing your

2769
01:40:55,830 --> 01:40:53,760
you being an experiencer are you talking

2770
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specifically about your experience with

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01:40:58,390 --> 01:40:57,440
these sensors from these satellites or

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01:41:00,310 --> 01:40:58,400
did you have your own personal

2773
01:41:03,350 --> 01:41:00,320
experience um

2774
01:41:05,270 --> 01:41:03,360
with ufos at another time

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01:41:07,350 --> 01:41:05,280
um

2776
01:41:08,709 --> 01:41:07,360
my experience with ufos

2777
01:41:09,830 --> 01:41:08,719
has been through

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01:41:13,030 --> 01:41:09,840
um

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01:41:14,629 --> 01:41:13,040
what experiences would tell you like

2780
01:41:16,550 --> 01:41:14,639
instances where

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01:41:18,870 --> 01:41:16,560
they knew they were awake but they could

2782
01:41:20,629 --> 01:41:18,880
not move

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01:41:23,590 --> 01:41:20,639
so i've already related i think in a

2784
01:41:25,830 --> 01:41:23,600
previous interview about

2785
01:41:27,430 --> 01:41:25,840
planting sunflower seeds so they grow

2786
01:41:29,910 --> 01:41:27,440
into sunflowers

2787
01:41:31,830 --> 01:41:29,920
and i said i need to plant sunflowers so

2788
01:41:33,430 --> 01:41:31,840
they know where to find me because i

2789
01:41:34,629 --> 01:41:33,440
want them to take me and not bring me

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01:41:35,750 --> 01:41:34,639
back

2791
01:41:37,430 --> 01:41:35,760
i want to go

2792
01:41:39,270 --> 01:41:37,440
i'm tired with you know i'm not i don't

2793
01:41:40,950 --> 01:41:39,280
belong on this planet

2794
01:41:42,310 --> 01:41:40,960
um i'm from somewhere else and i want

2795
01:41:44,310 --> 01:41:42,320
them to take me so i planted these

2796
01:41:46,629 --> 01:41:44,320
sunflower seeds the green sunflowers and

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01:41:50,149 --> 01:41:46,639
out

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01:41:52,470 --> 01:41:50,159
um i was

2799
01:41:54,390 --> 01:41:52,480
i think i wasn't adolescence then

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01:41:56,709 --> 01:41:54,400
yeah i was i like seventh or eighth

2801
01:41:58,790 --> 01:41:56,719
grade seventh grade i'd say and i

2802
01:42:00,709 --> 01:41:58,800
remember like hands

2803
01:42:02,629 --> 01:42:00,719
many hands pulling me out of my bed and

2804
01:42:05,189 --> 01:42:02,639
taking me to a craft

2805
01:42:07,030 --> 01:42:05,199
and being held by a being and laid down

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01:42:08,709 --> 01:42:07,040
on a table to be examined

2807
01:42:10,070 --> 01:42:08,719
so that was like

2808
01:42:12,629 --> 01:42:10,080
an instance where

2809
01:42:14,310 --> 01:42:12,639
i encounter with a craft now is it a

2810
01:42:15,669 --> 01:42:14,320
dream is this something i dreamed of i

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01:42:17,590 --> 01:42:15,679
can't tell you

2812
01:42:19,669 --> 01:42:17,600
i don't know but that's that's an

2813
01:42:20,950 --> 01:42:19,679
experience that i had but you said other

2814
01:42:22,629 --> 01:42:20,960
young at the time i was just curious

2815
01:42:23,750 --> 01:42:22,639
yeah i was like seventh grade

2816
01:42:25,590 --> 01:42:23,760
thereabouts

2817
01:42:26,709 --> 01:42:25,600
the other experiences i had after i

2818
01:42:29,590 --> 01:42:26,719
retired

2819
01:42:32,070 --> 01:42:29,600
were actually seeing craft

2820
01:42:32,950 --> 01:42:32,080
and again one of them was interesting in

2821
01:42:35,189 --> 01:42:32,960
that

2822
01:42:36,790 --> 01:42:35,199
i saw craft coming out of the clouds and

2823
01:42:38,870 --> 01:42:36,800
making maneuvers

2824
01:42:41,590 --> 01:42:38,880
like that going back to the clouds and

2825
01:42:43,669 --> 01:42:41,600
the message to me was tell them that we

2826
01:42:44,709 --> 01:42:43,679
hide in the clouds

2827
01:42:46,390 --> 01:42:44,719
okay

2828
01:42:47,750 --> 01:42:46,400
are you hiding in the clouds i don't

2829
01:42:50,229 --> 01:42:47,760
what does that mean i don't know but

2830
01:42:52,149 --> 01:42:50,239
this is an experience i've had wow so i

2831
01:42:55,030 --> 01:42:52,159
had experiences like that the orb

2832
01:42:56,470 --> 01:42:55,040
experience was flying from bwi which is

2833
01:42:57,910 --> 01:42:56,480
baltimore washington international

2834
01:43:00,310 --> 01:42:57,920
baltimore airport

2835
01:43:02,310 --> 01:43:00,320
to lax los angeles

2836
01:43:04,149 --> 01:43:02,320
and i was on a direct flight with a

2837
01:43:06,229 --> 01:43:04,159
friend of mine we're going to a ufo

2838
01:43:10,870 --> 01:43:06,239
conference

2839
01:43:12,470 --> 01:43:10,880
in irvine california

2840
01:43:14,390 --> 01:43:12,480
and on the way there as we were flying

2841
01:43:16,950 --> 01:43:14,400
over the southwest i used to listen to

2842
01:43:18,709 --> 01:43:16,960
channel one united airlines back in the

2843
01:43:21,430 --> 01:43:18,719
day where that you could actually listen

2844
01:43:23,430 --> 01:43:21,440
to the cockpit cons

2845
01:43:25,510 --> 01:43:23,440
that right there tells me that that was

2846
01:43:27,669 --> 01:43:25,520
before 9 11 because after 9 11 you're

2847
01:43:29,030 --> 01:43:27,679
not listening to cop pick cons anymore

2848
01:43:30,870 --> 01:43:29,040
but you know instead of listening to

2849
01:43:32,390 --> 01:43:30,880
country or classical or whatever music

2850
01:43:34,550 --> 01:43:32,400
they were playing in the other stations

2851
01:43:36,709 --> 01:43:34,560
or comedy i'll listen to channel one

2852
01:43:38,310 --> 01:43:36,719
because i'm such an aviation geek

2853
01:43:40,790 --> 01:43:38,320
listening to air traffic control in the

2854
01:43:42,070 --> 01:43:40,800
pilot cockpit and the pilot describes

2855
01:43:44,550 --> 01:43:42,080
seeing an object

2856
01:43:46,470 --> 01:43:44,560
so we have a bright orange object coming

2857
01:43:47,990 --> 01:43:46,480
across our

2858
01:43:50,229 --> 01:43:48,000
our flight path

2859
01:43:52,550 --> 01:43:50,239
and it's right in front of me and and

2860
01:43:54,550 --> 01:43:52,560
it's now to the starboard side from port

2861
01:43:57,830 --> 01:43:54,560
side to starboard side i looked out the

2862
01:44:00,390 --> 01:43:57,840
window and there it was a orange orb

2863
01:44:03,189 --> 01:44:00,400
it wasn't like a sparkly orange orb it

2864
01:44:06,390 --> 01:44:03,199
was just like solid orange

2865
01:44:07,669 --> 01:44:06,400
and it was like receding and stopped for

2866
01:44:09,830 --> 01:44:07,679
i don't know

2867
01:44:11,430 --> 01:44:09,840
stopped it wasn't really it was moving

2868
01:44:13,510 --> 01:44:11,440
with the craft because i didn't see any

2869
01:44:15,910 --> 01:44:13,520
kind of like we were passing it

2870
01:44:18,310 --> 01:44:15,920
um and then it flowed out

2871
01:44:19,910 --> 01:44:18,320
receded and that was like an orb

2872
01:44:22,149 --> 01:44:19,920
experience and the other orb experience

2873
01:44:26,790 --> 01:44:22,159
i had here in arizona was looking out my

2874
01:44:28,700 --> 01:44:26,800
balcony during a ce6 with mark sims

2875
01:44:31,189 --> 01:44:28,710
experience

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01:44:33,189 --> 01:44:31,199
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01:44:35,510 --> 01:44:33,199
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